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1 posted on 04/10/2006 7:23:46 AM PDT by Millee
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To: Millee
It's really quite an interesting thing to watch, in a train-wreck sort of way.

The House of Bishops has been trying to do the least amount possible to avoid getting kicked out of the Communion. The homosexual lobby is having none of it -- from their perspective any slowdown represents a defeat, so they're going to avoid it.

It's entirely likely that General Convention will have to deal with the Diocese of California electing a practicing homosexual bishop. There will also be a variety of stage shows about various homosexual agenda items, and I'm guessing that they'll end up being successful in at least a few of them.

The leadership of the church would like to stay in the Communion, but they're about to learn what the orthodox learned a long time ago: once the homosexual lobby has infiltrated the inner workings of the church -- and in many places they have done so -- the HOB really has no power to stop anything.

I think it's fair to speculate that there will be a significant realignment with respect to the Communion and the American church after General Convention.

2 posted on 04/10/2006 7:33:54 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Millee

As an outsider looking in, the unity of the anglican communion seems to be based on the idea that unity is more sacred and important than the Gospel.

That is a sad message for them to be sending.


3 posted on 04/10/2006 7:38:59 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Millee
My former ECUSA priest gave me the line about ordaining homosexuals such as Vicky Robinson as being akin to the ordination of women.

I got right in his face and blasted his ears off for inferring that my wife was a sexual deviant simply for being a woman and demanded an apology. I then warned him never to compare someone's sex or race to homosexuality as it was thoroughly demeaning, despicable and abominable to drag everything else down to the level of homosexuality to make sexual deviance acceptable.

I got my apology and have never heard him make similar references since.

4 posted on 04/10/2006 7:39:42 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: Millee

Did not Christ take on their sins and become their scapegoat -- led out to the desert to die?


5 posted on 04/10/2006 7:52:49 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Millee

Does this mean that some Episcopalians are considering moving towards becoming a Christian faith and away from being a homosexual one?


7 posted on 04/10/2006 8:46:32 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Millee

Though I attend and ECUSA church, and I believe God's Word when it calls homosexual activity an "abomination" (about the most evil thing you can do...), honestly, I hope the homosexual lobby wins this one.


Right now, as one of my (conservative) rectors put it, it's the "institutional liberals vs. the homosexual activist liberals." If the institutional ones win--it will be a fudge--JUST enough to keep the world-wide Anglican Communion from immediately falling apart, and both institutional and homosexual liberals will continue to persecute faithful Episcopal congregations and priests. It's been looking like the institutional liberals have the upper hand over the homosexual activist ones...but I think it would be entirely fitting if, as it says in Romans regarding homosexual idolators: "God gave them up..." meaning, God ALLOWED people to follow their evil desires, which then brought about natural consequences....

For example, if friends and relatives "give up" a drunkard...allowing him to buy and drink all that he desires, then he will eventually destroy his liver, along with his overall health--leading to serious sickness and early death. Of course sometimes friends and relatives must do that--just to allow a drunkard to see where his addiction will lead--so he will (hopefully) become horrified at what he is doing, and will then willingly seek help--before his life is totally wrecked.

God does the same to persons involved in willful sinful behavior--his allowance to do (and get away with) evil behavior is actually harmful to themselves--and perhaps will lead them to the despair necessary before they will willingly seek any help.

Personally, I think AIDS (and other STDs) are this kind of "gave them up" issue, a "receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error." as St. Paul puts it. (Romans 1:27)

NOT so much to subject people to "wrath" rather, that such natural harmful results of evil (and unhealthy) behavior will shake people to their senses--reflecting that an eternity awaits those who follow such behavior FAR worse than the worst case of AIDS. In this sense harmful STD diseases, and even mental disease and depression are signs of God's mercy--warning signs that people better turn around and accept the mercy offered in following Christ.

SO, I for one am currently praying that God will "give up" the apostate bishops of the ECUSA church, in order to shake it up to its core--allowing the apostate to increase their appostasy, so that the faithful will get serious and drastic, saving themselves and their families from Sodom.


12 posted on 04/10/2006 8:35:35 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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13 posted on 04/10/2006 8:56:21 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi 2006 | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t YOur5 (SONY))
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To: Millee

What narcissism!!!


16 posted on 04/11/2006 3:45:34 AM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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