Posted on 04/11/2006 7:23:31 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
James 4:4
"... whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God."
Amen
Wow! Now that's what I call "speaking truth to power". Not exactly what the libs who coined that phrase had in mind though. I hope Fr. Jenkins takes Fr. Miscambles arguments to heart!
God bless Fr. Miscamble.
It's heartening that there are priests like this teaching at Notre Dame. I've been told by others in the know that there are now substantial numbers of faculty at Notre Dame like this priest, and that there is real hope that the university could again be a Catholic standard-bearer.
We should pray for Fr. Miscamble and Fr. Jenkins.
An excellent letter, clearly addresses many salient points, with no waffling.
One word immediately leaps into my head when thinking of so many in positions of power in the US Catholic Church and academia in particular; "compromise". They have turned Jesus from a sign of contradiction into a sign of compromise. Compromise with the world.
As Fr. Miscamble intimates, Jenkins has simply sold out. The temperature became a little to hot for him and he melted. Period.
Pray for these men that they may have the courage to withstand peer pressure, scorn and the contempt of the world.
Outstanding! Note to Benedict XVI: There will soon be a man dispossessed of his teaching position at a well-known university in Indiana, USA. I believe he will make *excellent* bishop material! May I suggest his installation in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles after your inevitable removal of the Cardinal-Archbishop currently ensconced there? The American Church needs this man to be elevated to a place of prominence!
>> You put forth the position that “an event which has the implicit or explicit sponsorship of the university as a whole, or one of its units, or a university recognized organization, and which either is or appears to be in name or content clearly and egregiously contrary to or inconsistent with the fundamental values of a Catholic university, should not be allowed at Notre Dame.” <<
Too bad; this was a brilliant position statement on ncensorship, as it parallel's the left's arguments on why religion must be banned from the public square (with the exception being that the public square was never intended to have an anti-religious purpose as Notre Dame has a religious purpose.)
Heh. "Speaking truth to power" pretty much means poking the eyes of anyone who is in position to help the people they claim to care about so much, and advancing every sort of social arsonist and power-obsessed freak.
Too many priests, not enough men. No men with "chests", at least.
Excellent letter, which I predict, will have absolutely no positive effect on Jenkins. I hope I'm wrong.
Notre Dame is getting better, just not all at once. The best news I've heard is that the Theology department came out against the VM.
Nonsense. Miscamble's positions are well known. He has tenure. He is respected. He's not going to be fired. He has been a voice for restoration and renewal at Notre Dame for 15 years or more.
And he is not alone at Notre Dame. He has allies and they are well known there. I get tired of uninformed traditional Catholics making blanket statements about Notre Dame based on the Dick McBrien they see on TV. Notre Dame never went the route of Boston College, Georgetown, DePaul or Loyola Chicago or Loyola LA etc. where there simply has not been a real alternate voice, no real discussion of what it means to be a Catholic university because the very scant numbers of traditional faculty have been totally silenced.
Notre Dame always had enough dissenters (McInerny, Jenkins himself, Cavadini, Charles Rice and Gerard Bradley in the law school and a number of others) against the false Catholicism to keep the issues alive. Notre Dame had an alternative conservative Catholic newspaper that raised these issues. That's why Jenkins could initially raise hopes so high.
You have totally misread the Miscamble letter. He addresses Jenkins as a friend and co-combatant in the battle to restore Notre Dame to real Catholicism. He faults Jenkins for wimping out. He does not anathematize Jenkins. He was disappointed but he believes Jenkins could still be won for a course reversal.
When you snottily and breezily affirm that Miscamble will soon be exiled and Jenkins is another wolf in sheep's clothing you can have no basis in knowledge about the school to go on.
Miscamble may be disappointed yet again and Notre Dame may never really return to authentic Catholic university life. But the battle over that is not yet over there, whereas it is over, essentially, at BC and Loyola Chicago and elsewhere.
You would further your cause and the cause of the recovery of authentic Catholicism in Catholic universities greatly if you actually informed yourself and made distinctions between the truly lost Catholic schools, the startups that are faithful, and the small ones in the middle who are either already well on their way to recovery (Benedictine in Kansas) or have announced an intent to recover (St. Franics in Fort Wayne, St. Joseph's in Maine) or the large ones in the middle who are at least recoverable, though at very great effort and with no guarantee of success--which is where Notre Dame belongs.
Pray for the schools like Notre Dame whose cause is not yet lost rather than anathematize them. Anathematze the ones that deserve it--BC, Georgetown etc.
My goodness! Calm down, already! Look, there is such a thing as tongue-in-cheek hyperbole. I believe I understand the concept of tenure. But it *is* possible that, friendly appeal or no, Fr. Jenkins can most assuredly make Fr. Miscamble's life sufficiently miserable as to force him to "decide" to leave. It's been done before.
As for tendencies toward "misreading" texts, you do a good job of that with mine. Certainly, you project *far* more into my comments than I myself intended to convey, and extrapolate from my remarks all sorts of things about my frame of mind than you could possibly know from the content. I take an obviously hyperbolic (bishops aren't generally nominated in the fashion I "proposed") stance siding with Fr. Miscamble against an institution that has a long way to go in its fidelity to Catholic teaching, and the next thing I know, you decide that this is some sort of prima facie evidence that confirms the (universally known?) impression you have that it typifies "uninformed traditional Catholics making uninformed blanket statements about Notre Dame." I'll thank you, sir, to keep such "blanket statements" about the motives of *this* "traditionalist" to yourself, instead of condemning yourself with the same "charge" that you so "snottily and breezily" lob against me. You don't *know* me well enough to hurl such accusations in public, sir! You "misread" *me*!
Notre Dame may not be Georgetown, but it certainly isn't Thomas Aquinas College, either. It has a deserved reputation for sliding-scale orthodoxy, and it will be years before the school fully restores religious and moral fidelity to the Catholic Faith. To say otherwise fully insults the intelligence of any knowledgeable Catholic. One does not need to be a mere "uninformed traditionalist" to understand ND's current situation in this regard. Ralph McInerny himself felt sufficiently alarmed by Notre Dame's lack of fidelity that he commented on it more than once in his own Crisis Magazine, and full-length exposes concerning the issue have appeared since he left the helm, but maintained a toe-hold with the magazine. Notre Dame is *not* the "Catholic" institution it gives itself out to be. That's common knowledge, and *no* relative comparison was intended by myself with any other college, nominally Catholic or otherwise.
It's too bad when people similarly minded about so many things have to blow up at each other in a public forum like this one. I've admired your scholarship many times; you display amazing knowledge of so many facets of the Faith and history. But this doesn't qualify you to read hearts and minds as you did here, particularly when you thereby engage in the same things ("blanket statements," "snottiness," "breeziness," "misreading" written words, presumption of motives, presumption of ignorance without warrant from the text, and defamation) that you decry.
Some of our FRiends among the "separated brethren" here eat this stuff up. That's too bad. "With friends like you..." Creating that type of potential "scandal" is not my doing here. Perhaps you just need to lighten up a bit, and see an attempt at humorous wishful thinking for what it is, even if you *don't* think it's very funny - that's *certainly* your preogative! :-O
You still don't get it. Jenkins has no wish to make Miscamble's life difficult. They are on the same side. They are friends and allies. Miscamble thinks Jenkins made an unwise, imprudent decision. He hopes Jenkins will change his mind.
I didn't say Notre Dame was a Thomas Aquinas College. You write as if there are only two categories. I was distinguishing four, so that you could be properly incensed at the ones who are beyond the pale and properly supportive of the forces within the ones in the middle who are trying to turn them around. Notre Dame is in the middle. It cannot ever be a Thomas Aquinas College. The pedagogy and mission of the two are very different. But Notre Dame could become a good Catholic college again. I'm not holding my breath, indeed, I don't hold out a lot of hope. But I do have some hope. Jenkins is on our side but he made a very bad decision. He is in a damned if I do, damned if I don't situation. If he moves too far too fast and the majority of the faculty who are not Catholic or are CINOs simply revolt, he would be forced out as president--faculty can do that (witness Harvard) and then he does the cause of restoring Catholicism at Notre Dame no good. But Miscamble thinks that he could have decided the VM matter in the opposite manner and not have risked losing all credibility even with the anti-Catholic/CINO/non-Catholic elements at Notre Dame.
It's a dispute over strategy in a huge chess game that, if not played properly, will end in a disaster for the goal you and I share--a Catholic revitalization. I think Miscamble is right in his strategy on this point and Jenkins wrong but I don't conclude that Jenkins is a tool of the Devil and will have to make Miscamble's life difficult. When you write that sort thing you show no understanding whatsoever of the battle that has been joined for decades now and of the risks and opportunities available to our side.
If you were writing tongue-in-cheek you should have said so. My generalizations were reasonable because you did not indicate that you did not mean what you wrote. I can't see your wink over cyberspace. Surely you know that it is your obligation, Sir, to indicate sarcasm when you mean sarcasm, hyperbole when you intend hyperbole. You indicated nothing of the sort.
Now was your "make his life difficult" in your reply to me also hyperbole? If you didn't mean it, why did you write it? If you meant it (and the context implies you did, which is why you have to indicate you did not if you did not) then it betrays continued failure to understand who Miscamble is, who Jenkins is, where the fault lines are.
And you don't have to be a ND insider to know that. Miscamble's letter was utterly clear. He addressed Jenkins as an ally, named other allies, and appealed to Jenkins as his friend and ally to change is mind. That's what I mean by your misreading of a text--Miscamble's own letter makes your interpretation impossible--unless, of course, you mean the opposite of what you write.
But if you mean the opposite of what you write, then write that as well. Until you do, you deserve to be taken at your word.
Tuesday of Holy Week
"We have grown accustomed to make a clear distinction between Peter the rock and Peter the denier of Christ - the denier of Christ: that is Peter as he was before Easter; the rock: that is Peter as he was after Pentecost, the Peter of whom we have constructed a singularly idealistic image. But, in reality, he was at both times both of these... Has it not been thus throughout the history of the Church that the Pope, the successor of Peter, has been at once Petra and Skandalon - both the rock of God and a stumbling-block? In fact, the faithful will always have to reckon with this paradox of the divine dispensation that shames their pride again and again." (Pope Eenedict XVI)
Magnificat; Holy Week 2006 - Vol.8, No. 2; pg 65
You write,
"When you snottily and breezily affirm that Miscamble will soon be exiled and Jenkins is another wolf in sheep's clothing you can have no basis in knowledge about the school to go on."
Um, excuse me, but we do. While I wouldn't make the first charge regarding Miscamble, we have ample evidence Jenkins is, in fact, a wolf in sheeps clothing. Sorry, DI, but this is a no-brainer. If the guy can't stand up and say, "Uh, we're a Catholic institution so we won't be promoting the V Monologues and we're not going to be promoting homosexuality either," well, then, if he's not a wolf he's at least a coward acting no different than a wolf.
In fact, one of the more disheartening things to me is that I think you're right. I think Miscamble IS writing just as a disappointed friend, indicating that while he may wish the outcome were different, its really not that big of a deal. He'd just like his friend to reconsider.
Meanwhile, thousands of parents will ship their kids off to ND this year mistakenly believing their kids will get a Catholic education.
Frankly, Georgetown, BC, Loyola, etc., don't bother me as much as Notre Dame. Most everyone knows they're not Catholic anymore. But things like this letter are just enough to keep some people believing that ND still is. Hence, it is ND, not these other institutions, which perpetrate the biggest fraud. You yourself indicate ND has a ways to go before it can truly be considered "Catholic," again. But what percentage of this year's incoming freshman families do you think realize this?
Let's look at this Cavadini you mention as being one of those who is fighting the good fight, one of the 'allies' of those who wish to restore ND to catholicity. Is this the same Cavadini who called the Cardinal Newman Society, "a militant right-wing Catholic interest group lobbying for the most stringent standards of orthodoxy to be used in courses and curricula at Catholic colleges and universities,” when defending McBrien against charges of plageurism?
Don't get me wrong, I thought Cavadini was correct in his decision at the time. And I thought he made good points in defense of McBrien. McBrien's an outright heretic, not a plageursit. But the gratutous swipe at the Cardinal Newman Society? Granted, the CNS IS militant, and it is right-wing, (thank goodness) but you and I both know he used those terms to smear the people making the allegation and curry favor with the liberal press. Again, his concern was far more for protecting the image of ND than it was for advancing any restoration of catholicity. So while I might not have 'inside information' on the politics at ND. It seems fairly clear even a country bumpkin like me can conclude that even some of the so-called 'orhtodox' at ND aren't really all that concerned with orthodoxy if orthodoxy bumps up against popularity.
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