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I particularly liked the excerpt...I could well imagine the Pope making some sort of statement to this end and then, sometime in the not too distant future celebrating himself the older form of Mass. What a “gesture” that would be. This would give great encouragement to many and still allow the bishops to work things through irenically with their priests...

Wishful thinking, but it would be a nice surprise if that could happen this Easter!

1 posted on 04/11/2006 6:05:41 PM PDT by Ercolino
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To: Ercolino

It would be nice to see the revival of the Old-style Papal Mass, considering it has been mothballed since the 1960s.

Many Catholics are familiar with the Tridentine Ordo, but they are less familiar with other forms of the Roman Mass that predate the 1570 Missal.

Here are just a few:
The 1474 Missale Romanum:
http://ffyl.uncu.edu.ar/departamentos/filosofia/centros/cefim/Ordinarium%201474.pdf

The Missale Coloniense: (1525 Cologne Missal)
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Ordo%20Missae%20Coloniensis.pdf
http://ffyl.uncu.edu.ar/departamentos/filosofia/centros/cefim/MissaleColoniense.pdf

Missale Bracarense: (Braga Missal)
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Missale_Bracarense.pdf

Missale ad Usum ad insignis Sarum: (Sarum Missal) Two versions.
(pt.1 The Ordinary) http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Sarum/Ordinary.htm
(pt. 2 The Canon)
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Sarum/Canon.htm
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Sarum/English.htm (in English)
http://ffyl.uncu.edu.ar/departamentos/filosofia/centros/cefim/Missale%20Sarum.pdf

The following is a vernacular translation of the 11th century Exeter Missal made by an Orthodox friend of mine, Fr. Aidan Keller.
(in Latin)The only thing that would be needed to use this in the Catholic Church would be to restore the commemoration of the Pope and drop the epiclesis that was artificially added from the Byzantine rite.
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Ordo%20Missae%20Sarum.pdf
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Sarum%20Liturgy%20Priest%20Book.pdf

The Stowe Missal of Ireland (Celtic rite: Suppressed in 1172 A.D. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03493a.htm)
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06357a.htm

The Stowe Missal is the oldest complete Missal still in existence. (c. A.D. 750) It's found in a museum in Ireland.
(English translation)
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/stowe.pdf
http://www.nd.edu/~medvllib/litfacs/stowe.html

Missale Ambrosianum
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Ambrosian%20Liturgy.pdf
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/zAmbrosianMass.pdf

Here is a video of an actual Ambrosian rite Latin Mass held in Rome.
http://www.traditionalmass.net/mass_rome.nsf/9718a7111239e83c86256cfc0010c283/229ce6e7ddfbf58c86256d47005d7357?OpenDocument

Ordo Missae Carthusiensis (Carthusian Missal)
http://ffyl.uncu.edu.ar/departamentos/filosofia/centros/cefim/Missale%20Carthussiense.pdf
http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/carthusian/main.html

Missale Ordinis Praedicatorum (Dominican Missal)
http://ffyl.uncu.edu.ar/departamentos/filosofia/centros/cefim/Missale%20Ord%20Praedicatorum.pdf
http://members.aol.com/liturgialatina/dominican/mass_ordinary.htm

Missale Mixtum (Mozarabic Missal)
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Mozarabic.html
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/civitas.dei/mozarabic.htm
http://ffyl.uncu.edu.ar/departamentos/filosofia/centros/cefim/Missa%20Mozarabica.pdf

The following is an interesting curiosity found among the Russian Old Believers called the Liturgy of St. Peter, which has the structure of the Byzantine liturgy, but uses the Roman Canon instead of the customary eucharistic prayer.
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Liturgy-Peter.html

Video of the Mass according to the pre-Reformation Use of the Diocese of Lykoping, Sweden performed by a Catholic Dominican priest: (15th century)
http://www.liturgy.dk/default.asp?Action=Menu&Item=285


2 posted on 04/11/2006 7:34:18 PM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: Ercolino

It would be nice to see the revival of the Old-style Papal Mass, considering it has been mothballed since the 1960s.

Many Catholics are familiar with the Tridentine Ordo, but they are less familiar with other forms of the Roman Mass that predate the 1570 Missal.

Here are just a few:
The 1474 Missale Romanum:
http://ffyl.uncu.edu.ar/departamentos/filosofia/centros/cefim/Ordinarium%201474.pdf

The Missale Coloniense: (1525 Cologne Missal)
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Ordo%20Missae%20Coloniensis.pdf
http://ffyl.uncu.edu.ar/departamentos/filosofia/centros/cefim/MissaleColoniense.pdf

Missale Bracarense: (Braga Missal)
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Missale_Bracarense.pdf

Missale ad Usum ad insignis Sarum: (Sarum Missal) Two versions.
(pt.1 The Ordinary) http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Sarum/Ordinary.htm
(pt. 2 The Canon)
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Sarum/Canon.htm
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Sarum/English.htm (in English)
http://ffyl.uncu.edu.ar/departamentos/filosofia/centros/cefim/Missale%20Sarum.pdf

The following is a vernacular translation of the 11th century Exeter Missal made by an Orthodox friend of mine, Fr. Aidan Keller.
(in Latin)The only thing that would be needed to use this in the Catholic Church would be to restore the commemoration of the Pope and drop the epiclesis that was artificially added from the Byzantine rite.
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Ordo%20Missae%20Sarum.pdf
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Sarum%20Liturgy%20Priest%20Book.pdf

The Stowe Missal of Ireland (Celtic rite: Suppressed in 1172 A.D. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03493a.htm)
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06357a.htm

The Stowe Missal is the oldest complete Missal still in existence. (c. A.D. 750) It's found in a museum in Ireland.
(English translation)
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/stowe.pdf
http://www.nd.edu/~medvllib/litfacs/stowe.html

Missale Ambrosianum
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Ambrosian%20Liturgy.pdf
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/zAmbrosianMass.pdf

Here is a video of an actual Ambrosian rite Latin Mass held in Rome.
http://www.traditionalmass.net/mass_rome.nsf/9718a7111239e83c86256cfc0010c283/229ce6e7ddfbf58c86256d47005d7357?OpenDocument

Ordo Missae Carthusiensis (Carthusian Missal)
http://ffyl.uncu.edu.ar/departamentos/filosofia/centros/cefim/Missale%20Carthussiense.pdf
http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/carthusian/main.html

Missale Ordinis Praedicatorum (Dominican Missal)
http://ffyl.uncu.edu.ar/departamentos/filosofia/centros/cefim/Missale%20Ord%20Praedicatorum.pdf
http://members.aol.com/liturgialatina/dominican/mass_ordinary.htm

Missale Mixtum (Mozarabic Missal)
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Mozarabic.html
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/civitas.dei/mozarabic.htm
http://ffyl.uncu.edu.ar/departamentos/filosofia/centros/cefim/Missa%20Mozarabica.pdf

The following is an interesting curiosity found among the Russian Old Believers called the Liturgy of St. Peter, which has the structure of the Byzantine liturgy, but uses the Roman Canon instead of the customary eucharistic prayer.
http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/Liturgy/Liturgy-Peter.html

Video of the Mass according to the pre-Reformation Use of the Diocese of Lykoping, Sweden performed by a Catholic Dominican priest: (15th century)
http://www.liturgy.dk/default.asp?Action=Menu&Item=285


3 posted on 04/11/2006 7:34:32 PM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...

Catholic ping!


6 posted on 04/11/2006 7:52:33 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Ercolino

I don't need Latin masses. Just a lack of apostasy from the US bishops would suit me fine.


10 posted on 04/11/2006 8:47:02 PM PDT by dangus (Church: "The road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." Me: "US gets new HOV lane.")
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