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Posted on 04/25/2006 6:19:21 PM PDT by Full Court
###Does that mean that if someone of any other religion seriously, earnestly seeks God Almighty from their hearts, in their hearts that they will find Him regardless of whether they have consciously been presented the history of The Gospel of Jesus The Christ before their moment of death?
I believe that it AT LEAST MAY BE the case that God--in such cases--presents Jesus to the individual at their moment of death and gives them the choice of rejecting or accepting Christ as their Savior at that moment of their death and life review. ###
What a positive view my friend, Quix. We know that all are really hungry for God, some have just not been as fortunate to hear about the Lord of Love.
How can we say piety springs out of anyone but the Lord of Love? They just don't know it, yet.
Heaven may be an interesting gathering as many meet Him and realize that they have just had wrong names they were using.
I can not wait to see the joy when they realize it was Him they found in their seeking.
Quix you have opened interesing insights.
Thank you so very much.
Two answers:
Keller was not a Christian.
Above our paygrade indeed!
Our job is to act with loving kindness and spread the gospel, by word, act, example.
God will do what he wants to do.
That is absolutely untrue. The article quotes Graham. It doesn't pull these things out of thin air.
It's worthy of a discussion.
Either man must believe in Christ as the Bible says and that must become the highest duty of man, or it isn't true.
If Graham says that people can be saved WITHOUT Jesus, then that merits a discussion.
You may not agree with the author about the seriousness of what Graham has done through his compromise with universalism, but you can not deny that he has done it.
God is not capricious and will never act outside of his stated word.
Read her autobiography "My Religion" (reissued as "Light in my darkness) and stop googling people to damnation, please.
9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism. 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15 since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
As you can see, this ends with support for the idea that "Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life" and that "no man comes to the Father except through Him."
I have no problem with what BG was attempting to put into common language in this off-the-cuff interview.
Hellen keller was not a Christian.
As cults go, this one has an old background, dating to the 1700s and the teachings of Emanuel Swedenborg, born in Stockholm, Sweden in 1688. Swedenborg has been called the earliest of the great clairvoyants. His church is called the Church of New Jerusalem. Its membership is similar to that of the Worldwide Church of God, with, perhaps, 150,000 members world wide. The Church of New Jerusalem teaches a need for a rebirth of Christianity – along the lines of the teachings of Swedenborg!
Swedenborg had a interest in science, especially geology, and religion, but an illness appears to have affected his mind. Following the illness, Swedenborg had a vision wherein loathsome creatures crawled around the walls of his room. A man appeared to tell Swedenborg that he would be God’s voice to communicate the teachings of the unseen realm to the people of the world. He was to be the source of new revelation.
Beliefs
Swedenborgism is a mixture of New Age, Mind Science, and the mystical. Swedenborg talked to the spirits. Further, the group believes in astral projection and automatic handwriting, clear traits of Spiritism. They fail to observe any of the doctrines of classic Christianity. The beliefs of this group include:
-A denial of the atonement, the Trinity, the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
-All religions lead to God (pluralism!)
-There is no devil
-The Scriptures can only be properly interpreted through Swedenborgianism
-One may sin in heaven.
-The only valid portions of the New Testament are the four Gospels and Revelation.
-Salvation is by good works
-There is no physical resurrection
-Angels (and evil spirits) are not supernatural creations of God, but are rather, humans who have died
? At death, a person’s mind falls asleep for three days in a place called the world of the spirits. Afterwards, he awakens and those spirits who have died before help him adjust. He then forms his own spiritual body in which to reside.
? There is marriage in heaven.
I want to take a moment to add a lengthy paragraph from one of the commentaries on the place of sexual love in this group. We have already seen other cults where sex and free love are important elements (i.e., the Moonies), but these comments will also set the stage for some understanding of more extreme examples.
The predominant subject in the teacher’s mind was “conjugal love,” which was indeed in his view “heavenly love in its highest form,” and is according to him a great subject of interest, and conversation among the angels. In spite of our Lord’s denial, they do “marry and are given in marriage in heaven!” There are passages in Swedenborg’s writings so grossly indelicate, Dr Pond assures us, that they ought never to have been translated. Swedenborg gives 55 cases in which a married man may judge himself free to be unfaithful to his marriage vows; and in certain cases he permits and even recommends flagrant immorality.
William C. Irvine, Heresies Exposed, New York: Loizeaux Brothers, Inc. Bible TruthDepot,1917, 182. Irvine sites several of Swedenborg’s writings including one entitled ArcanaCelestia and another entitled Conjugal Love.
No, I wasn't thinking they were pulled from thin air...
It's worthy of a discussion.
And it has been both discussed and discredited.
AMEN!!!! There are very good and proven ministries being bashed on the Internet by cyber whacko's doing the devils work using the Lords name. The love of GOD dwells not in them. I won't mention names of more accused because I don't wish to fuel the fire of hate. Such as these are false accusers of the brethren as it is called the same type who yelled "Crucify Him" "Blasphemer" when the Savior 2000 years ago came to live among man. It is repulsive to the highest degree.
The only way to discredit what Graham says is to claim he never said such things.
Is that your claim?
Are you now supporting
Swedenborgism ?
They fail to observe any of the doctrines of classic Christianity. The beliefs of this group include:
-A denial of the atonement, the Trinity, the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
-All religions lead to God (pluralism!)
-There is no devil
-The Scriptures can only be properly interpreted through Swedenborgianism
-One may sin in heaven.
-The only valid portions of the New Testament are the four Gospels and Revelation.
-Salvation is by good works
-There is no physical resurrection
-Angels (and evil spirits) are not supernatural creations of God, but are rather, humans who have died
? At death, a person’s mind falls asleep for three days in a place called the world of the spirits. Afterwards, he awakens and those spirits who have died before help him adjust. He then forms his own spiritual body in which to reside.
Let it go Full Court. Let it go.
Then return to your hobbit hole and let those that enjoy discussing religion do so.
Let's not make this personal.
From accounts I can find it was her teachers husband involved in this belief and I'm not at all sure of even that as being accurate. I've also seen in some web site where Helen and her teacher applied for a marriage license in Oh my sides "Alabama" LOL oh goodness I can't stop laughing. There is much money to be made writing scandal. It is far more profitable than truth these days.
Cult now?
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