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Fair Fight Over Darwinism and Design in North Carolina
evolutionnews.org ^ | April 25, 2006 | Bruce Chapman

Posted on 04/25/2006 11:13:59 PM PDT by balch3

When the controversy over Darwinism and intelligent design is debated on university campuses, the deck is usually stacked heavily against proponents of intelligent design. North Carolina State University has shown, however, that the topic can be debated with the fairness and civility that ought to characterize academic discussions. On Thursday, April 20, before a crowd of some 200 people, a biologist and philosopher defended intelligent design, and a biologist and philosopher defended Darwinism.

That debate continued Thursday night at N.C. State University before a crowd of almost 200 people. Sponsored by the NCSU and Wake chapters of the American Civil Liberties Union, the debate featured four speakers -- one scientist and one philosopher from both sides of the issue. The North Carolina State University debate showed that it is possible to proceed on this toipic in a manner that accords with traditional academic freedom and mutual respect. The same goes for the way Tim Simmons reported it for the News Observer.

Forty years ago, the New Left political philosopher Herbert Marcuse argued that old fashioned liberal education and public discourse was wrong, that tolerance for varying views should be extended only to people on the Left. That stance seems to have won many advocates; author Chris Mooney is one example, and the editorial page editors of The Washington Post are another (on this issue, at least). Fortunately, saner heads prevailed in North Carolina."


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; darwinism; id; intelligentdesign; northcarolina

1 posted on 04/25/2006 11:14:00 PM PDT by balch3
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Hambourger: "I think there is a serious danger that only you can know by looking into your own soul ... that secularists are motivated not by a genuine love of freedom and the Constitution but in many cases by a real dislike of religion.

It's hard to understand how this can be true, since ID has nothing to do with religion.

2 posted on 04/25/2006 11:19:49 PM PDT by js1138 (somewhere, some time ago, something happened, but whatever it was that happened wasn't evolution)
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Easy. The Darwinist absolutists think ID points in the direction of religion, which it does. The fact that it isn't religious per se isn't relevant. To many Darwinists, anything that makes it easier to believe in God is anathema. Frankly, you are splitting hairs here.

If you don't think secularists (well, many of them) aren't motivated by "a real dislike of religion," you need to wake up and smell the coffee.


3 posted on 04/25/2006 11:25:26 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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oops ... I mean the secularists ARE motivated by dislike of religion ...


4 posted on 04/25/2006 11:26:08 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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But lots of people have testified under oath (and here on FR) that ID is completely unrelated to religion.


5 posted on 04/25/2006 11:28:58 PM PDT by js1138 (somewhere, some time ago, something happened, but whatever it was that happened wasn't evolution)
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Not only that, but many Real Christians think ID is an unacceptable concept.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/117/22.0.html


6 posted on 04/25/2006 11:30:57 PM PDT by js1138 (somewhere, some time ago, something happened, but whatever it was that happened wasn't evolution)
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Forty years ago, the New Left political philosopher Herbert Marcuse argued that old fashioned liberal education and public discourse was wrong, that tolerance for varying views should be extended only to people on the Left. So, we should only be tolerant of varying views from those on the Left? Is that what this is saying? If so, then I do believe the Colleges and Universities, at least the one I attended in NC for undergrad and grad, are living up to Marcuse's desires.
7 posted on 04/25/2006 11:32:31 PM PDT by takeemout (God Bless Jesse Helms!)
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I concur. ID is a valid hypothesis which explores the notion that the universe was not created by a random act & the hypothesis is not affiliated with religion.


8 posted on 04/25/2006 11:36:02 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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I concur. ID is a valid hypothesis which explores the notion that the universe was not created by a random act & the hypothesis is not affiliated with religion.


9 posted on 04/25/2006 11:36:11 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: js1138

"testified inconsistently" - Judge James Jones III: Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District


10 posted on 04/25/2006 11:39:55 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain)
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It seems, at least from what I read here that the majority of ID supporters think ID means creationism. They then go on to attack evolution as a lie even the ID incorporates evolution.

The problem with ID is that its pure speculation. Evolution is speculation, but its speculation based on facts that we know.

Most of IDs rhetoric is that evolution couldn't have happened so fast, which doesn't really prove why they then assume someone must have designed us.
11 posted on 04/25/2006 11:40:18 PM PDT by RHINO369
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I could have sworn this thread was in in News/Activism


12 posted on 04/25/2006 11:46:06 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain)
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What can I say? They're confused. It's not religion or religious, but makes religion easier and is therefore related.


13 posted on 04/26/2006 12:38:15 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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I'm sure they do. The hatred of ID, therefore, shows how radical many of the secularists are. Many "real Christians" won't accept just a crumb, and many secularists won't give 'em a crumb.


14 posted on 04/26/2006 12:39:41 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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