Posted on 04/27/2006 3:03:34 PM PDT by restornu
The the light of Christ is available to all who seek it!
I am so happy that all of my questions have been answered to know the true nature of the Godhead and Eph. 2: 20
Kingdom of God is built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
And invariably the answer has been: "I don't know" or "We don't teach that anymore".
Eph 4
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
“Knowing God” kind of implies knowing that he and Christ (both listed separately here) are not the same personage.
Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate Persons, ... but also that they are the one Eternal God.
I believe that our understanding of the nature of the infinite God is limited by the finiteness of our thinking processes.
It appears that God is One ... in the sense that the yolk, the white, and the shell all are egg, ... and perform different functions in the egg.
What I would say, according to my best understanding, ... is that God is a composite being, much like a family, .... with all the Persons involved being recognizable as God themselves.
If anybody could write the Book of Mormon, as we have been so often assured, it is high time that somebody, some devoted and learned minister of the gospel, let us say, performed the invaluable public service of showing the world that it can be done." - Hugh Nibley
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They have, its call the Koran, the anchient works of Budda, THE GOSPEL OF JUDAS, etc. I'm sure there are millions of attempt of writte Book of Mormonesk type writting. Just pick one....Sorry Mr. Nibley......
It reveals me you did not read the whole article or you would not have made those utterances!
Greater minds and real biblical scholars have spoken on this topic and do not make careless remarks such as yours!
It is all about Jesus Christ if you were to attend our Sacarment meeting you would have no doubt!
The other things you mention is those who have a testament about Jesus Christ!
Just like you can't mention your testamony with out mentioning your name right?
Can't relate to your testamony unless you share your trails and tribulations right?
>>>>“Knowing God” kind of implies knowing that he and Christ (both listed separately
>>>>here) are not the same personage.”
>>Christians believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate Persons, ... >>but also that they are the one Eternal God.
This directly contradicts what I have been told by my protestant and
Catholic friends, but agrees with my perceptions, Being God is a title, and it is shared by God the Father, Jesus Christ (The God of this earth) and the Spirit of God (The Holy Ghost). Jesus Christ being in the express image of God the Father, will look exactly like him so to see him, is to see the father (like truly identical twins) These three personages form the Godhead, and all of them together or independently (Since they are of one heart, might mind and strength) can be called God.
>>I believe that our understanding of the nature of the infinite God is limited by the
>>finiteness of our thinking processes.
Agreed
>>It appears that God is One ... in the sense that the yolk, the white, and the shell all are
>>egg, ... and perform different functions in the egg.
Um, how about like a really close knit team? The egg thing kind of weirds me out, it’s too close to Scientific theories about pre-Big Bang universe (Google Cosmeg and “Big Bang” to see what I am talking about here).
In John 17:21-23 it says:
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
“Even as we are one” When Christ draws a simile about one-ness, I think he knows what he is talking about. He did not mean for the apostles to physically become one being, but to be one in heart might mind and strength.
If god is three personages, there are no issues with Christ standing on the Right hand of God. There is no deception when we hear them talking to or about each other. The baptism of Christ becomes a beautiful example of togetherness not a ventriloquists act. There is no problem about Jesus Christ’s resurrected body, and what did he do with it.
(God being a spirit only came from the Greeks who theorized that any God with a physical form would have a weakness, so Constantine forced the Nicene Creed on the early church after he made himself Pope, there are many who died defending the belief that god was a separate personage from Jesus Christ, it’s in history books) It makes fascinating reading.
>>What I would say, according to my best understanding, ... is that God is a composite
>>being, much like a family, .... with all the Persons involved being recognizable as God
>>themselves
The Godhead is very close to this description. Be careful there are some on this forum who will say you are not Christian if you profess these beliefs of yours too loudly (Grin).
>>They have, its call the...
None of the Works Cited was performed within the time frame listed by Hugh Nibley, so they don't qualify.
(The time frame taken from the translating of the Book of Mormon)
Did you read the whole article, or just the heading?
(God being a spirit only came from the Greeks who theorized that any God with a physical form would have a weakness, so Constantine forced the Nicene Creed on the early church after he made himself Pope, there are many who died defending the belief that god was a separate personage from Jesus Christ, it’s in history books)
Not quite true ... listen to Jesus ...John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, whenBTW ... Constantine was never Pope.
the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Meet the first Pope!!
http://www.reformation.org/meet_the_first_pope.html
I read the same scriptures, but come away with a different meaning.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when
the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Yep, God is a Spirit, and more, not just a spirit.
Re-read my post #404, Try to see why I have said what I have said, not interpret it the way you have been taught to interpret.
You don’t have to believe as I do, but understanding would sure be nice :-)
>>Constantine was never Pope
Catholic Encyclopedia, now it may be a different Constantine (it’s kind of confusing the way it’s written) but ( http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04294b.htm ) there was a pope Constantine.
Either way it’s a good internet resource, and fun reading.
Finding Wheat, Barley, Linen and Silk in the Book of Mormon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1627795/posts
The less knowledge a man has, the more vocal he is about his expertise.
The less knowledge a man has, the more vocal he is about his expertise.
The less knowledge a man has, the more vocal he is about his expertise.
How many thousands is the question, if it was more than 10,000, it wouldn't fit the timeline of the BoM.
And the natives would have to been really dim to have let the best beasts of burden die out.
What I find interesting in the Book of Mormon and Old Testament is the lessons or stories about the the families of the Servants of the Lord!
at present I can't think of any in the New Testament that give an insight to the interal affairs of the families maybe you can think of some?
In the OT you Adam and his challenge with his Sons same with Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Israel, Moses etc all had records of their family disputes etc!
In the BoM you have Lehi and his sons, Mosiah, Alma, Jared etc.
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