Posted on 05/07/2006 3:14:21 PM PDT by tenn2005
As the bald man on the SDA TV program AMAZING FACTS said several years ago on salvation by grace,
"You are saved by grace IF you keep the Sabbath."
I call it heresy, gathering to honor the day rather than the Lord Jesus Christ.
God does not close his ears six days a week.
Of couse He doesn't close His ears 6 days a week. In fact, holding services on Sunday is not a sin. Not keeping the Sabbath Holy is the sin. There are some in the Sabbatarian community who rest on Sabbath and then go to church on Sunday.
I'm not under the law.
It is for freedom that Christ has set me free.
My salvation isn't based one whit on what day I do or do not observe. That's righteousness via a legal code of do's and don'ts.
By faith I believed God and it was credited to me as righteousness.
If the Encyclopedia Brittanica said that, it's an amazingly bad work of scholarship. Or sloppy wording. The celebration of the resurrection has taken place on a Sunday since the first century, and there are unquestionable sources for that. What Constantine did was insist that all of the churches use the same calendar.
Thankfully we can go to mass 7 days a week.
35 Scriptures describing the Sabbath practices of people who worshipped under the Law of Moses. Those would be the scriptures prior to Acts.
1 Scripture referring to the Jewish measure of a Sabbath's day journey.
8 Scriptures telling how Paul went to Jewish worship services on the Sabbath to convince them that Jesus was the Messiah. When else would he have found them together at worship?
1 scripture telling Christians not to be bothered by the teachings of Judiezers concerning keeping the Sabbath.
0 New Testament scriptures referring to the Christian church worshipping on the first day of the week which was sanctioned and attended by the Apostle Paul. (Acts 20:9, et al)
A little intellectural honesty can go a long way.
Could you explain these texts to me, Chaplain?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Phi 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.(if there is no law, what's to be scared of?)
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
If the Encyclopedia Brittanica said that, it's an amazingly bad work of scholarship. Or sloppy wording. The celebration of the resurrection has taken place on a Sunday since the first century, and there are unquestionable sources for that. What Constantine did was insist that all of the churches use the same calendar.
Oh, and Constantine didn't do it. Constantine wrote a letter explaining what the bishops had agreed to. And, although many bishops had not been there, all bishops throughout the world joined the recommendation.
Yes.
They all mean we're free and responsible.
What does John say is the commandment of God in 2 John?
My Bible starts in Genesis and goes to Revelation.
Look what Isaiah (I know, I know, another Jew) has to say about life after the second coming:
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Now, if the Sabbath was set out in Genesis, set in stone in Exodus, and is to be practiced after the Second Coming, why would it be "done away with" right now?
Funny thing about the Seventh-Day Adventist church. It was founded by Ellen Gould White, who taught that the Pope was the anti-Christ. As proof, she asserted that those letters of the Pope's title, in Latin, which are used as Roman numerals, add up to 666. Hence, the pope was the beast of Revelations.
The problem is that although the Pope has been referred to by hundreds of titles on various official church documents, he has never been called the one she uses: Vicar of the Son of God (Vicarivs Filii Dei). He is known as "Vicar of the Son of Man." But the two are not synonymous: The Son of Man is a term used in the old Testament which emphasizes the humble origins of Jesus, as a lowly son of Adam (Adam=Man, in Hebrew). Jesus uses the title the Son of Man to emphasize his HUMAN nature. And it is in this human role that the Pope serves as his vicar.
The Son of God highlights the divine nature of God. If the Pope used this title, there could be an argument made that he was serving as a divine vicar, which actually would be blasphemy, which is probably why the Catholic church has never, amongst tens of the thousands of genuine documents and hundreds of titles, ever called the pope by this name. Oh, and by the way, Church Latin uses "U"s, so his name adds up to only 661.
But here's the funny thing: Ellen Gould White, using the Roman alphabet she chooses, becomes ELLEN GOVLD VVHITE. The Roman numerals in this name are LL VLD VVI, which totals 666. (D=500, L=50, V=5, I=1). Of course, it IS just a silly coincidence, but isn't it funny that she refered to herself using her full middle name?
The hymnography of the Church on the Feast of the Resurrection is quite clear: the dignity of the sabbath was transfered to the first day of the week, called in Greek Kyriaki, the Lord's Day, by the Apostles. We now have lecture notes on the preaching of the Apostles, the Didache, which establish as of Apostolic origin most of the customs and practices of the Church which are disputed by protestants, who fancy the Scriptures (which weren't collected and canonized until at least the fourth century, and arguably the seventh) are an axiom system from which all that is true about God and our relationship to him can be proved.
All St. Constantine did in this regard was to proclaim that everyone got Kyriaki off so that Christians could worship more easily. (NYer has already proved your encyclopedia authors are ignorant by quoting from St. Justin the Philosopher writing on the keeping of Sunday as a day of worship in 160 A.D.)
Just as the transfer of the sabbath to Sunday was done by the authority of the Church, so the list of which books are Scripture was done by the authority of the Church. If you deny the authority of the Church in this, you have no basis for accepting the canonical Scriptures and rejecting the Gospel of Judas or the Gospel of Thomas.
Besides, the Christian sabbath is not only the first day, but the eighth day, a participation in the eighth and eternal day in which Christ, is our light, who dawned from the tomb on that day.
*Readers of the religion forum know that as an Orthodox Christian, I regard the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church as existing now as what is most often called 'the Eastern Orthodox Church', the adjective Orthodox becoming necessary when the Patriarchate of Rome fell into heresy in the 11th century, while still loudly claiming the name 'Catholic'.
2Jo 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; 2Jo 1:2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us forever. 2Jo 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. 2Jo 1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father. 2Jo 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. 2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. (whose point are you making here?) 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2Jo 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed: 2Jo 1:11 For he that biddeth him Godspeed is partaker of his evil deeds. 2Jo 1:12 Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full. 2Jo 1:13 The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.
And here it is in the words of our Lord:
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
When my 4 year old son mimicks me, it makes me really happy and shows me he loves me. Jesus said we should come to Him as children, so I try to show Him I love Him by acting like Him.
In Romans, Paul is making a "what comes first, the chicken or the egg" argument. He is saying that obedience will never yield faith or salvation, but faith will yield obedience and salvation. I simply will never understand why disobeying God is a good thing.
I tell you what: if you are so worried about making sure you obey the Jewish legalisms, why don't you commemmorate the Sabbath seven days a week? You can join a friary or a monastery, where the only labor you do is labor for the lord, like the tribe of Levi.
What? Your religion doesn't HAVE monasteries? Or friaries?
Well, at least you can commemmorate the Sabbath by celebrating the Eucharist every day. Gee, EVERYONE can at least do that much.
What? Your religion doesn't HAVE daily mass?
Wow. That sucks. Ever think of finding a religion that does? No, I didn't think so.
So does mine but you only posted scriptures beginning with Matthew. My answer was to your post.
Look what Isaiah (I know, I know, another Jew) has to say about life after the second coming:
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
I see no mention of a second coming in these verses.
Note to TRD, I'm taking fire from both the Protestants and the Romans here.
Just as the transfer of the sabbath to Sunday was done by the authority of the Church,
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. A Catholic that understands his faith is really hard to come by on FR.
Besides, the Christian sabbath is not only the first day, but the eighth day, a participation in the eighth and eternal day in which Christ, is our light, who dawned from the tomb on that day.
I also know the Hellenistic roots 8th day theology. Have you studied where this notion of an 8th day comes from?
I'm going to bed, Tenn. You're not making sense anymore, so I must be fatigued. Catcha later.
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