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To: Jaded

With regard to Rev. 4:8, is that a prayer, or is that adoration? It is not a prayer, it is a statement of adoration and devotion. This is not a prayer.

I think we would both agree that prayer is a private thing. If you pray quietly, or 'in secret' you can do so on a crowded bus. Unless I am gravely mistaken, I take that verse to mean that we should not be braggarts, standing in public, announcing to the world about how pious we are.


34 posted on 05/10/2006 8:02:25 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar

True enough. We shouldn't be standing on street corners shouting so others can see how pious we are.

OTOH, I think rallying the troops for a united prayer is a great thing. It's been done here before. During the run up to the last presidential election people signed up for an hour of prayer/devotion to do each day. The point was to make sure there was non-stop prayer from a focused group.


40 posted on 05/10/2006 8:44:50 PM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Hodar
Do you belong to a church and does that church have prayers during their service?

BTW< I don't agree that prayer is a privtae thing. Prayer is both public and and private. The Earliest Christians understood it correctly. As The Didache notes

Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day. But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations."

*I am sure you belong to a church that does as our Lord commanded, no?Acts 14 All these were persevering with one mind in prayer with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren

Acts 41 They therefore that received his word, were baptized; and there were added in that day about three thousand souls. 42 And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the communication of the breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 And fear came upon every soul: many wonders also and signs were done by the apostles in Jerusalem, and there was great fear in all. 44 And all they that believed, were together, and had all things common. 45 Their possessions and goods they sold, and divided them to all, according as every one had need. 46 And continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they took their meat with gladness and simplicity of heart; 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord increased daily together such as should be saved

Acts And the days being expired, departing we went forward, they all bringing us on our way, with their wives and children, till we were out of the city: and we kneeled down on the shore, and we prayed.

1 Tim I will therefore that men pray in every place, lifting up pure hands, without anger and contention.

*Time to read all of the New Testament, brother :)

54 posted on 05/11/2006 7:47:37 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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