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To: newgeezer

"Now, how about the immaculate conception? The assumption? The perpetual virginity? A sinless Mary? "

Just another obvious reason not to rely on man for answers and why I am not Catholic. I couldn't be. I rely on God for answers and I get my answers from the Bible.

I dare say the Bible clarifies what we label the Trinity much clearer than any of these other sinners, er philosophers.


6 posted on 06/14/2006 8:27:59 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: nmh
I rely on God for answers and I get my answers from the Bible.

And when you're not sure what the Bible means, you get your answers from a fundamentalist preacher or theologian, a man who is just as much a sinner as the Pope.

8 posted on 06/14/2006 8:43:34 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: nmh

Luke chapter 2 defines the Immaculate Conception as clearly as anything defines the Trinity. As for Mary's perpetual virginity, there is nothing in Scripture which makes any mention of her having any other children.


9 posted on 06/14/2006 8:49:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: nmh; newgeezer
Who preserved the Word of God and the Holy Bible during the Dark Age(476A.D. - 1000A.D.), after the fall of Rome?

What was the only church from 37A.D. - 1054A.D.?

Who started this church, and where was it started?

It's a good thing sinless men and theologians were around to preserve the truth, and keep the faith, otherwise people could not walk around reading their edited and abridged Bibles today.

This just occurred to me right now, Where in the Bible does it say the word Bible? Where does it say Sola Scripture? Maybe someone could point this out to me...
10 posted on 06/14/2006 8:52:32 AM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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To: nmh
I dare say the Bible clarifies what we label the Trinity much clearer than any of these other sinners, er philosophers

LOL! Your "proofs" do not, by themselves, prove that God is a Trinity of Persons.

"Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit" does not automatically lead to the idea of three hypostasis and one ousia! This took the Church hundreds of years to theologically define. You don't realize how Catholic you already are, do you? There are numerous heretics who THOUGHT they understood the Bible differently and came up with different ideas on who God is. Yours is the Catholic/Orthodox concept from Scriptures AND Apostolic Tradition.

Regards

13 posted on 06/14/2006 8:58:16 AM PDT by jo kus (There is nothing colder than a Christian who doesn't care for the salvation of others - St.Crysostom)
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To: nmh; newgeezer
Just another obvious reason not to rely on man for answers and why I am not Catholic. I couldn't be. I rely on God for answers and I get my answers from the Bible.

For which you can thank the Catholic Church :-)

Mark 13:31 - heaven and earth will pass away, but Jesus' Word will not pass away. But Jesus never says anything about His Word being entirely committed to a book. Also, it took 400 years to compile the Bible, and another 1,000 years to invent the printing press. How was the Word of God communicated? Orally, by the bishops of the Church, with the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit.

16 posted on 06/14/2006 9:21:56 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: nmh

"I rely on God for answers and I get my answers from the Bible."

So what happens when the next guy down the street does the same and the two of you arrive at different conclusions? Which one of you is right? Which one is wrong? You can't both be right, yet you use the same Bible and claim the same God is showing you the answers.


51 posted on 06/14/2006 2:13:00 PM PDT by ShandaLear (Gringos Unite!!!)
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To: nmh
I dare say the Bible clarifies what we label the Trinity much clearer than any of these other sinners, er philosophers.

Sure! Like that verse in Ephesians, I think, where Paul dictates the entire Canon of the Bible which all Protestants use to buttress Sola Scripura. Yeah...Right! That's the ticket!

72 posted on 06/14/2006 4:25:22 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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