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To: NYer
So when presented with a scripture that says to do this and when presented with the Pope that says to do that instead, who are you going to follow?

That's easy for me...For you, your church is Holy...For me, the scriptures are Holy...

Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the Holy Scriptures,)

And how do you know if what the church or anyone tells you is true???

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

So where did the Bible come from?
St. Athanasius in his Festal Letter, § 39, in 367 AD, published a list of books suitable for reading during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as a regional canon for the Eastern Church.

You left out the history up to 367 AD...As you know, it's a matter of history that your church scoured the world in search of copies of the scripture and burned every one they could get their hands on...And of course, these copies were deemed heretical, by your church...

That fact that your church deemed what should be scripture is meaningless...

Jesus told his prodigal son Peter, Jn 21:15 “Feed My lambs  Tend My sheep  Feed My sheep.” Jesus had earlier said, Jn 10:11 “I am the good shepherd.” By directing that Peter become the good shepherd,

Jesus did no such thing...You're trying to insert something in the scripture that's just not there

Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom, ordaining his office and primacy. Peter became Christ’s vicar, or personal representative, on earth. Peter’s prestige as the head apostle was so great that people Acts 5:15 “Â carried out the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and pallets, that as Peter came by at least his shadow might fall on some of them.”

Pure conjecture...No scripture to back it up...All of the Apostles performed signs and wonder, including Paul...The focus was supposed to be on Jesus, not Peter...

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes?

Lookin' like you folks have rejected the real 'stone'...

Jesus told His apostles, and by extension their successors, Mt 10:40 “He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.” That authority has crossed the centuries in a continuing line of apostolic succession. Every Catholic bishop, priest, and deacon was ordained by a bishop who was ordained by a bishop who was ordained by a bishop  who was personally ordained by Jesus Himself.

Does this include the Popes, Bishops and Priests that were homosexual, or the ones that had illegitimate children??? Were they ordained by God as well??? Nothing but more conjecture...

”Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who accept all the means of salvation given to the Church  through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops.”

You have to reject the scripture if you chose to believe this...

I don't care what the Catholic church does...I don't care anything about the Catholic church...But when you guys try to twist and pervert the scripture to try to make it line up with your church and publish that kind of nonsense, I'll jump in every time...

326 posted on 07/09/2006 12:10:22 PM PDT by Iscool (President Bush loves AMNESTY...But he hates the DICTIONARY...)
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To: Iscool; Barnacle; dollars_for_dogma; marajade
You left out the history up to 367 AD...As you know, it's a matter of history that your church scoured the world in search of copies of the scripture and burned every one they could get their hands on...And of course, these copies were deemed heretical, by your church...

Really! You must have seen this on National Geographic or The Learning Channel. They love to distort history.

Before 367AD? Welcome to the Early Church Fathers

Jesus told his prodigal son Peter, Jn 21:15 “Feed My lambs Tend My sheep Feed My sheep.” Jesus had earlier said, Jn 10:11 “I am the good shepherd.” By directing that Peter become the good shepherd,

Jesus did no such thing...You're trying to insert something in the scripture that's just not there

"When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs. He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep." John 21:15-17 (in the NAB. Is it different in the KJV?)

The message is clear. In John 21:15 - Jesus asks Peter if he loves Jesus "more than these," referring to the other apostles. Jesus singles Peter out as the leader of the apostolic college. In John 21:15-17 - Jesus selects Peter to be the chief shepherd of the apostles when He says to Peter, "feed my lambs," "tend my sheep," "feed my sheep." Peter will shepherd the Church as Jesus’ representative.

Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom, ordaining his office and primacy. Peter became Christ’s vicar, or personal representative, on earth. Peter’s prestige as the head apostle was so great that people Acts 5:15 “carried out the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and pallets, that as Peter came by at least his shadow might fall on some of them.”

Pure conjecture...No scripture to back it up...All of the Apostles performed signs and wonder, including Paul...The focus was supposed to be on Jesus, not Peter...

"Thus they even carried the sick out into the streets and laid them on cots and mats so that when Peter came by, at least his shadow might fall on one or another of them." Acts 5:15

Peter's shadow has healing power. No other apostle is said to have this power.

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes?

Jesus was using a parable to explain to his disciples why He would be rejected. Whereas in Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - the apostles are given Christ's authority to make visible decisions on earth that will be ratified in heaven. God raises up humanity in Christ by exalting his chosen leaders and endowing them with the authority and grace they need to bring about the conversion of all. Without a central authority in the Church, there would be chaos (as there is in Protestantism).

343 posted on 07/09/2006 2:33:53 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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