Posted on 07/12/2006 5:00:55 AM PDT by ohhhh
Whats a Gog?
Insulting assaults are duly noted.
I thought you had mellowed since your banishment from FR of some time ago, but I guess not.
Fancy seeing you around here....
Hey, what happend to the guy in the next office? His clothes are piled on his chair and he's gone? And what are this tiny little pieces of gold on the floor.
The excitement around here just got to be too much for me so I took a break. :-)
I though you had disappeared as well! ;-)
It's hard to stay away then the last days maniacs raise these silly, speculative ideas.
Ihope it is not the end. I hope before God has to come down we can show Him how good we can be and that it was not a waste of time in creating us! I, for one, would like to face the Lord and have Him say to me I am proud of you for thou hast done well in my sight. I know I am dreaming , but would it not be wonderful to face the Lord and have Him say ,you have seen evil and destroyed it. Thou has done a good job down there . Onward, this is not over!
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Sorry to see such a good topic bite the dust early. Too typical, for sure.
It might be possible to carry on such a dialogue amongst END TIMES LIST MEMBERS via FREEPMAIL. If any want to do that, please let me know.
You might enjoy this also I found comfort in this study...
Discerning our last days with Faith, Hope, Love and Salvation.
*******A little history to set the stage...
Whether it is the end of time or we are living our last days on earth Peter has alot to say that is of great comfort to us.
After Jesus' resurrection and ascension, the tribulation seemed to be mild. The disgruntled Pharisees wanted to shut up the men who were turning Jerusalem upside down with their teaching and miracles, nothing seemed life threatening.
Then the first stone was thrown and Stephen, the first martyr for Christ, was brought down to the ground. Saul went to the high priest to gain permission to round up those who were spreading the gospel.
On the road to Damascus, Jesus saved Saul and changed his name to Paul. Still the persecution of Christians continued. King Herod an adversary of the believers, scattered the Jews who confessed Jesus as the Messiah abroad to other Roman provinces.
It wasn't until Nero that the persecution of Christians reached beyond the confines of Judah. Rumor has it Nero had Rome burned to blame it on the Christians so he could rebuild Rome as he wanted. The scapegoat to divert attention from himself, Nero blamed the fire on the Christians and began the systematic persecution of GOD"S children.
Jesus had prepared Peter for the world's tribulation; now Petter would prepare others. Peter's first epistle was written on the eve of Nero's persecution, about A.D. 63 or 64. Nero died in A.D. 68, but not before Rome put Peter to death.
1Peter 1
1-2: Is a greeting to the aliens (we are aliens to this world our home is in heaven), who are chosen by the foreknowledge of GOD the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood; grace and peace be ours to the fullest measure.
3-4: According to GOD'S great mercy we have been born again in a living Hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. For us to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved for us in heaven. 5: 5who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6: In this greatly rejoice, even though we will be distressed by various trials, may be found in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. We have not seen Him,yet we Love Him, we do not see Him now, but believe in Him, greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9: obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.
10: This salvation which the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to us made careful, seeking to know what person or time the Spirit od Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the Glories to follow. These prophets were not serving themselves but us. 12:...Those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven--things into which angels long to look.
13: Prepare our minds for action, be sober in spirit fix our Hope on the Grace to be brought to us at the revelation of Jesus Christ. Be Obedient children, like the Holy One who called us in all our behavior. 16: because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."
17: Conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth. Knowing we are not of the perishable earth but with the precious Blood of a Lamb unblemished and spotless, the Blood of Jesus Christ.
20: For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you. 21who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
22: In our obedience to the truth purified our souls for a sincere Love of the brethren, fervently Love one another from the heart. For we have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable through the living enduring word of GOD.
24For,
"ALL FLESH IS LIKE GRASS,
AND ALL ITS GLORY LIKE THE FLOWER OF GRASS.
THE GRASS WITHERS,
AND THE FLOWER FALLS OFF,
25BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER "
And this is the word which was preached to you.
ref; The New Inductive Study Bible
ref;Living with discernment in the end times by Kay Arthur, David Lawson, Bob Vereen
It had to happen! Bush is Gog! LOL You can't make this stuff up!
The battle of Gog and Magog against Israel shall usher in the Second ComingThe Lord will come amid war and pestilence, and all men shall shake at his presence
Plausible.
Certainly in this era, anyway.
Thanks for your thoughtful response.
(27-24) Ezekiel 3839. The Battle of Gog and Magog
The following sums up the events of the battle of Armageddon:
Our Lord is to come again in the midst of the battle of Armageddon, or in other words during the course of the great war between Israel and Gog and Magog. At the Second Coming all nations of the earth are to be engaged in battle, and the fighting is to be in progress in the area of Jerusalem and Armageddon. (Zech. 11; 12; 13; Rev. 16:1421.) The prophecies do not name the modern nations which will be fighting for and against Israel, but the designation Gog and Magog is given to the combination of nations which are seeking to overthrow and destroy the remnant of the Lords chosen seed.
The 38th and 39th chapters of Ezekiel record considerable prophetic detail relative to this great war. It should be noted that it is to take place in the latter years; that it will be fought in the mountains of Israel against those who have been gathered to the land of their ancient inheritance; that the land of Israel shall be relatively unprotected, a land of unwalled villages; that Gog and Magog shall come out of the north parts in such numbers as to cover the land as a cloud; that the Lord will then come, and all men shall shake at his presence; that there will be such an earthquake as has never before been known, which will throw down the mountains; that there will be pestilence, blood, fire, and brimstone descend upon the armies; that the forces of Gog and Magog will be destroyed upon the mountains of Israel; that the Supper of the Great God shall then take place as the beasts and fowls eat the flesh and drink the blood of the fallen ones (Rev. 19:1718; D. & C. 29:1821); and that the house of Israel will be seven months burying the dead and seven years burning the discarded weapons of war.
In the light of all this and much more that is prophetically foretold about the final great battles in the holy land, is it any wonder that those who are scripturally informed and spiritually enlightened watch world events with great interest as troubles continue to foment in Palestine, Egypt, and the Near East? (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 32425.)
That the battle before the Millennium, which is known as the battle of Armageddon, makes reference to Gog and Magog may at first be confusing since the last great battle at the end of the Millennium is called the battle of Gog and Magog by John (see Revelation 20:79). But the names Gog and Magog are used for both battles because they symbolize an alliance of great, evil power. Before the coming of Christ, the great war, sometimes called Armageddon, will take place as spoken of by Ezekiel, chapters 38 and 39. Another war of Gog and Magog will be after the millennium.
Obviously the battle seen by Ezekiel will be one of the greatest events of the worlds history, and so it is not surprising that the prophets speak of it again and again. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Joel, Zechariah, and John the Revelator all speak of it in some detail, and it is mentioned in several places in latter-day scripture.
(27-25) Ezekiel 38:12. Gog and Magog
The terms Gog and Magog are often joined together, as, for example, in the phrase the battle of Gog and Magog (see Revelation 20:8). Thus, many people assume the terms refer to two people by those names. Ezekiel 38:12 shows clearly, however, that Gog is a name of a person and Magog the land from which he comes. Technically, Gog of Magog is the correct way to say it. Over the centuries, however, the names have come to mean the combination of nations that will fight against Israel in the last days. (See Notes and Commentary on Ezekiel 3839.)
(27-26) Ezekiel 38:26. Ancient Names and Modern Equivalents
Ezekiel specifically told his readers where Gog, the great military and political leader or leaders of the last days, would come from and with whom he would be allied in the war against Israel. He used names that were current in Old Testament times, though many of these names are not familiar to modern readers. Magog, Meshech, and Tubal were in northern Asia Minor (see v. 2). Persia was in eastern Asia Minor, and Ethiopia and Libya (Cush and Phut) were in Africa (see v. 5).
Gomer and Togarmah have been associated with peoples in Asia Minor and Europe (see v. 6; see Hastings, Dictionary of the Bible; Fallows, Bible Encyclopedia; Encyclopaedia Judaica; Keil and Delitzsch, Commentary, 9:2:15960.) That these nations would come from north and south, east and west, represents the teaching that all nations will fight against Israel (compare Zechariah 14:2).
(27-27) Ezekiel 38:22. I Will Rain upon Him . . . Great Hailstones
As did Ezekiel, John the Revelator also saw great hailstones raining down on the vast army at Armageddon. He gave their weight at one talent (see Revelation 16:21), which is approximately 75.6 pounds, or 34.3 kilograms (see Bible Dictionary, s.v. weights and measures). Ezekiel 38:22 is the verse referred to in Doctrine and Covenants 29:21.
(27-28) Ezekiel 39:11. Where Is the Valley of Hamongog?
Ezekiel 39:11 depicts a future event and is not making reference to a known location of that day. Hamon in Hebrew means multitude (see William Wilson, Old Testament Word Studies, s.v. multitude). The name Hamongog therefore means the multitude of Gog, indicating that the valley will be so called because of the vast numbers buried there. Since the final battle centers around Jerusalem (see Enrichment I), it is assumed that the valley of Hamongog is somewhere nearby.
THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET EZEKIEL CHAPTER 39
Ezekiel 1
Ezekiel sees in vision four living creatures, four wheels, and the glory of God on his throne.
Ezekiel 2
Ezekiel is called to take the word of the Lord to IsraelHe sees a book in which lamentations and mourning are written.
Ezekiel 3
Ezekiel made a watchman unto the house of IsraelTheir blood is required at his hand unless he raises the warning voice.
Ezekiel 4
Ezekiel creates a type and shadow of the siege and famine that shall befall Jerusalem.
Ezekiel 5
The judgment of Jerusalem shall include famine, pestilence, war, and the scattering of her inhabitants.
Ezekiel 6
Israel shall be destroyed for her idolatryA remnant only shall be saved and scattered.
Ezekiel 7
Desolation, war, pestilence, and destruction shall sweep the land of IsraelTheir desolation of her people is foreseen.
Ezekiel 8
Ezekiel sees in vision the wickedness and abominations of the Jews in JerusalemHe sees idolatry practiced in the temple itself.
Ezekiel sees the identifying of the righteous and the slaughter of all others, beginning at the Lords sanctuary.
Ezekiel 10
He sees, in vision, as aforetime, the wheels and the cherubims, and the throne and the glory of God.
Ezekiel 11
He sees, in vision, the destruction of Jerusalem and the captivity of the JewsHe prophesies the latter-day gathering of Israel.
Ezekiel 12
Ezekiel makes himself a type of scattering of Jews from JerusalemHe then prophesies their scattering among all nations.
Ezekiel 13
Ezekiel reproves false prophets, both male and female, who speak lies and to whom God hath not spoken.
Ezekiel 14
The Lord will not answer those who worship false gods and work iniquityEzekiel cries repentanceThe people would not be saved though Noah, Daniel, and Job ministered among them.
Ezekiel 15
Jerusalem, as a useless vine, shall be burned.
Ezekiel 16
Jerusalem has become as a harlot, reveling in her idols and worshipping false godsShe has partaken of all the sins of Egypt and the nations round about, and is rejectedYet in the last days the Lord will again establish his covenant with her.
Ezekiel 17
Ezekiel shows in a parable how Israel, while subject to Babylon, wrongfully sought help from EgyptYet the Lord will bring forth, in the last days, a goodly tree from the cedars of Lebanon.
Ezekiel 18
Men shall be punished for their own sinsSinners shall die, and the righteous shall save their soulsA righteous man who sins shall be damned, and a sinner who repents shall be saved.
Ezekiel 19
Ezekiel laments for Israel because she has been taken captive by other nations and planted in dry and thirsty ground.
Ezekiel 20
From their deliverance from Egypt to the day of Ezekiel, Israel have rebelled and failed to keep the commandmentsIn the last days, the Lord shall gather Israel and restore his gospel covenant.
Ezekiel 21
Both the righteous and the wicked in Jerusalem shall be slainBabylon draws a sharp and bright sword against Israel and shall prevail.
Ezekiel 22
Ezekiel catalogs the sins of the Jews in JerusalemThey shall be scattered and destroyed for their iniquities.
Ezekiel 23
Two sisters, Samaria and Jerusalem, committed whoredoms by worshipping idolsBoth are destroyed for their lewdness.
Ezekiel 24
The irrevocable judgment of Jerusalem is foretoldAs a sign to the Jews, Ezekiel does not weep at his wifes death.
Ezekiel 25
The Lords vengeance shall fall on the Ammonites, upon Moab and Edom, and upon the Philistines.
Ezekiel 26
Because she rejoiced in the sorrows and fall of Jerusalem, Tyrus shall be destroyed.
Ezekiel 27
Ezekiel laments the fall of Tyrus and the loss of her riches and commerce.
Ezekiel 28
Tyrus and Zidon shall fall and be destroyedThe Lord will gather Israel to her own landThey shall then dwell safely.
Ezekiel 29
Egypt shall be overthrown by BabylonWhen she rises again, she shall be the basest of kingdoms.
Ezekiel 30
Egypt and her helpers shall be made desolate by Babylon.
Ezekiel 31
Pharaohs glory and fall compared to that of the Assyrians.
Ezekiel 32
Ezekiel laments for the fearful fall of Pharaoh and of Egypt.
Ezekiel 33
Watchmen who raise the warning voice save their own soulsRepentant sinners are savedThe righteous who turn to sin are damnedThe Jews in Jerusalem are destroyed because of their sins.
Ezekiel 34
The Lord reproves those shepherds who do not feed the flockIn the last days, the Lord will gather the lost sheep of IsraelThe Messiah shall be their ShepherdThe Lord will make his gospel covenant with them.
Ezekiel 35
Judgment shall fall upon mount Seir and all Idumea for hatred of Israel.
Ezekiel 36
In the last days all the house of Israel shall be gathered to their own landsThe Lord will give them a new heart and a new spiritThey shall have his gospel law.
Ezekiel 37
Israel shall inherit the land in the resurrectionThe stick of Judah (Bible) and the stick of Joseph (Book of Mormon) become one in the Lords handIsrael shall be gathered and cleansedThe Messiah shall reign over themThey shall receive the everlasting gospel covenant.
Ezekiel 38
The battle of Gog and Magog against Israel shall usher in the Second ComingThe Lord will come amid war and pestilence, and all men shall shake at his presence.
Ezekiel 39
Gog and Magog destroyedFor seven years they burn the weapons of warFor seven months they bury the deadThen comes the supper of the great God and the continued gathering of Israel.
Ezekiel 40
A heavenly ministrant shows Ezekiel in vision a city wherein is the templeHe is shown the form and size of the temple and its courts.
Ezekiel 41
Ezekiel sees the inner temple and the holy of holies, and is shown their form and size.
Ezekiel 42
Ezekiel sees in the temple the chambers for the priests.
Ezekiel 43
The glory of God fills the templeHis throne is there and he promises to dwell in the midst of Israel foreverEzekiel sees the altar and sets forth the ordinances thereof.
Ezekiel 44
The glory of the Lord filled the house of the LordNo strangers may enter the sanctuaryServices of the priests in the temple are set forth.
Ezekiel 45
Portions of land shall be provided for the sanctuary and the dwellings of the priestsThe people are to offer their sacrifices and oblations and keep their feasts.
Ezekiel 46
Ordinances of worship and of sacrificial performances are set forth.
Ezekiel 47
Waters issue from the house of the Lord and heal the Dead SeaThe Lord shows the borders of the land.
Ezekiel 48
Portions of land for the tribes are namedGates of the city bear the names of the tribesName of the city shall be: The Lord is there.
ZECHARIAH CHAPTERS Zechariah 1
Zechariah calls upon Judah to repentHe is shown by visions that the cities of Judah and the temple will be rebuilt.
Zechariah 2
In the last days Judah shall gather to JerusalemThey shall come from the land of the northThe Lord shall dwell among them.
Zechariah 3
Zechariah speaks Messianically: The Branch shall comeAt the Second Coming, iniquity shall be removed in one day.
Zechariah 4
Zerubbabel shall lay the foundation and finish the house of the Lord: The temple of Zerubbabel.
Zechariah 5
An angel reveals truths to Zechariah by the use of symbolical representations.
Zechariah 6
Zechariah crowns Joshua, the high priest, in similitude of Christ, the Branch, who shall comeChrist shall be a priest upon his throne forever.
Zechariah 7
The Lord reproves hypocrisy in fastsHe calls upon the people to show mercy and compassion and live godly lives.
Zechariah 8
In the last days, Jerusalem shall be restored, Judah shall be gathered, and the Lord will bless his people beyond anything of the past.
Zechariah 9
Zechariah speaks Messianically: Messiah shall come, having salvation, lowly, and riding upon an assHe shall free the prisoners from the pitJudah and Ephraim are instruments of the Lord.
Zechariah 10
Judah and Joseph shall be sown among the people in far countriesThe Lord will hiss for them and gather them and redeem them.
Zechariah 11
Zechariah speaks Messianically: Messiah shall be betrayed for thirty pieces of silverIt shall be cast to the potter in the house of the Lord.
Zechariah 12
In the final great war, all nations shall be engaged at Jerusalem but the Lord shall defend his peopleThen the Jews shall look upon Jesus whom they crucified, and there shall be great mourning.
Zechariah 13
The Jews shall gain forgiveness at the Second ComingThey shall ask Jesus: What are these wounds in thine hands?The remnant, tried and refined, shall be his people.
Zechariah 14
At his Second Coming the Lord shall fight for IsraelHis feet shall stand upon the Mount of OlivesHe shall be King over all the earthPlagues shall destroy the wicked.
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