Book of Ezekiel, Chapter 38[ Israel in the latter days]

King James Version ^ | appoximately 592 ,Before Christ | God, the Holy Spirit

[Quix]

I just still don't know the sequence or timing from The Lord's more detailed perspectives.

I think He has given us some highlights without a specific detailed step by step roadmap as He's a good General who plays His cards close to His chest . . . so far.

Those Scriptures are sure coming increasingly alive in our era. It boggles my mind that folks could NOT think we are in the END TIMES.

[Quix]

I hate to see any life suffering. And could be forgiving of even evil doers. Have been no chronic saint myself.

But the beleaguered Creation must be delivered of evil before it destroys all that is.

Thankfully, it will be.

[restornu]

I hate to see any life suffering. And could be forgiving of even evil doers

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There are people because of ignorance and pain act out doing evil.

There are others who are TRUE "Sons of Perdition" SOP who worship the Satan that why there is a place called hell!

[Quix]

Very well put.

I agree.

[topcat54]

"Most "prophecy experts" of today are searching for a new explanation for Ezekiel 38 and 39. In the past, they focused on Europe, Russia, the Common Market, and the so-called "Restored Roman Empire." Now that it looks like Russia is staying open to the gospel, they suppose "Gog and Magog" must refer to the alliance of Muslim nations in the Middle East. The modern "prophecy experts" are selling a lot of books, videos, seminar and conference "registration fees," but they are far removed from presenting the truth."

"The Bible predicts clearly that one day, not only the former Soviet Union, but all the kingdoms of this world shall be shaken by His power and they shall become a part of the Kingdom of God and of His Christ. Although God may choose to use a particular nation in some strategic way at a given point in history, His Kingdom and power to save are not bound by the governments and institutions of men. God has appointed dominion over the nations to His Son."

RUSSIAN INVASION OF ISRAEL? The Modern and Erroneous Interpretation of Ezekiel 38-39 By Jay Rogers

[restornu]

True that article I gave you was the observation in 1981 since than more layers have unfolded.

It seems today those layers are more quickly being peeled away than anytime in history!

[DungeonMaster]

Prophesy is always hard to understand, but one thing is for sure, the whole world is focused on Israel.

[Quix]

It seems today those layers are more quickly being peeled away than anytime in history!
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INDEED!

By several orders of magnitude . . . or many.

[Quix]

On reflection and rereading . . . a minor quibble.

Folks of my perspective tend to call the 2nd Coming when Christ appears in the heavens and believers are caught up in the air to meet Him . . .

I don't really know for certain when that point will be in what sequence.

My point is to be ready to meet Him at any moment and to walk with Him moment by moment.

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An unrelated question . . . you can answer by FREEPMAIL if you wish. Has the LDS . . . system/group . . . been becoming more Biblically orthodox over the last 10+ years--leaving behind a lot of the founders' . . . well . . . nonsense? I ask that because my 80+ year old step-dad attended a Mormon funeral some time ago and said he heard a Salvation message of Salvation by faith in the Blood of Jesus etc. better than any Baptist presentation of such. He was shocked.

[Quix]

the whole world is focused on Israel.
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And Jerusalem has become a burden around the neck of the whole world as Scriptures foretold.

[sasha123]

I do not believe in coding and decoding the bible

[restornu]

My point is to be ready to meet Him at any moment and to walk with Him moment by moment.

Eash person has to be ready in their daily walk when it is their time to leave this frail existence.

Has the LDS . . . system/group . . . been becoming more Biblically orthodox over the last 10+ years--leaving behind a lot of the founders' . . . well . . . nonsense?

I am not not sure in what you are asking!

Each Doctrine and Ordinance of the Lord has it purpose Baptism and Atonement.

1- Baptism and continue with weekly Sacrament is vital, to have clean hands or to build upon, renew and maintain a firm foundation, during our walk each week.

Every child is at their level of understanding when they come unto the Lord. It is the Lord that teaches and length one growth, man must allow the Lord through our prayers pondering allow the Lord to editfy.

The world is a hard place to keep clean and the dirt keeps rubs off on us in some degree, and if we are with the Lord we must keep our armor clean!

2- The Atonement is has always been very hard for many to understand in depth.

It is a beautiful unfolding and as one continue to read the scriptures and allow the Holy Spirit to teach and edify, each layer of understanding is a life time of receiving line upon line, precept upon precept of the gift from our beloved Savior!

[topcat54]

True that article I gave you was the observation in 1981 since than more layers have unfolded.

You mean all the old predictions about the major players fell apart and a new schema had to be devised by the pop prophecy preachers.

The only constant is the unbridled creativity on the part of those who make up this stuff.

"From my understanding of biblical prophesies, I'm convinced that the Lord is coming for His Church before the end of 1981." (Calvary Chapel pastor Chuck Smith, Future Survival (1978))

[Quix]

Thanks.

I don't quibble with your beautiful elaboration.

I think I'll just leave it there. I'm for anyone who loves Jesus and seeks to Biblically walk close with Him.

[restornu]

I assume that is what you got out of it that is not what I understood!

As our need to know, the Lord will elevate the rungs on the ladder!

[Gamecock]

[topcat54]

As our need to know, the Lord will elevate the rungs on the ladder!

"Rungs on a ladder"?? What is it that you feel you need to know beyond the plain words of Scripture?

What I suspect is happening is that as more and more folks twist the Bible to fit in with the headlines on the evening news, they will have a longing for more "need to know" information to fit their preconceptions, and so they become more speculative.

They have a zeal but not according to knowledge.

[restornu]

Many have accused me of English not being my first language, but the Lord has blessed me to see and hear my Master voice!

[DAVEY CROCKETT]

The modern "prophecy experts" are selling a lot of books, videos, seminar and conference "registration fees," but they are far removed from presenting the truth."

*******Well I don't see this as a newsflash to any of us. Paul does have something to say about the way we should respond to other's we do not agree with. I believe the versus below would also speak of difference in beliefs also...

1 Corinthians 9:22To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some.

and

1 Corinthians 10:27If one of the unbelievers invites you and you want to go, eat anything that is set before you without asking questions for conscience' sake.

28But if anyone says to you, "This is meat sacrificed to idols," do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience' sake;

29I mean not your own conscience, but the other man's; for why is my freedom judged by another's conscience?

30If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks?

31Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

32Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God;

33just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, so that they may be saved.

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"The Bible predicts clearly that one day, not only the former Soviet Union, but all the kingdoms of this world shall be shaken by His power and they shall become a part of the Kingdom of God and of His Christ. Although God may choose to use a particular nation in some strategic way at a given point in history, His Kingdom and power to save are not bound by the governments and institutions of men. God has appointed dominion over the nations to His Son."

******* This is the one I wonder about...

Zechariah 14
God Will Battle Jerusalem's Foes
2For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.


*******One question I do have for all. How much if any of the prophecy could have been full filled in the Dark Ages?

We have 400 years of silence, what happened? The NT restarts with a whole different approach, Salvation through Jesus Christ.

I do want this thread to go forward and I will get to the replies, I have my grandchildren for a few days so my time is limited.

[restornu]

"Rungs on a ladder"?? What is it that you feel you need to know beyond the plain words of Scripture?

I hope you listen to this just from the point of view how to listen to hear the Lord and not as LDS doctrine but as the scripture says!

Matt. 13: 15-16

15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Seeing Through the Generations (Neil L. Andersen)