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DISPENSATIONALIST "CHRISTIAN" ZIONISM -- Is there now "neither Jew nor Gentile", or not?
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Posted on 08/10/2006 12:22:56 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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Okay, people, this is a discussion of Historic Christian Theology in the context of Ethnic differences. "Christian Identity" ascends from British-Israelism,
NOT Nazism -- and according to Godwin's Law, the first Freeper to bring "Nazism" into the debate, automatically loses.
So let's discuss the Article as written, and avoid the Gestapo and Counter-Gestapo accusations.
To: George W. Bush; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24
Ping to several folks who requested this Article.
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posted on
08/10/2006 12:24:20 PM PDT
by
OrthodoxPresbyterian
(We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
To: xzins; P-Marlowe; ShadowAce
Ping for a chance to explain my point of view.
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posted on
08/10/2006 12:25:05 PM PDT
by
OrthodoxPresbyterian
(We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I really don't think the issue is resolved by appeal to Scripture, and is not a primary doctrine (that must be believed for Salvation) but as a Christian I support Israel because the 'promise' to you has not been rescinded. that means all Jews in Israel or otherwise.
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posted on
08/10/2006 12:29:23 PM PDT
by
vimto
(Blighty Awaken!)
To: Buggman; George W. Bush
Does Dispensationalist "theology" destroy the Racial equality of the Body of Christ? What you see is what you get.God wrote the New Testament in Greek -- NOT Hebrew.
Enough foolish "How much Hebrew can I spout off" Judaizing.
Get in touch with God's design.
Greek is the sacred tongue, and Greek is the Baptist's tongue; we may be beaten in our own version, sometimes... but in Greek, NEVER. ~~ Charles Spurgeon, "The Prince of Preachers"
Best, OP
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posted on
08/10/2006 12:30:43 PM PDT
by
OrthodoxPresbyterian
(We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
OrthodoxPresbyterian, do you wear women's underwear?
To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Ah, another
argumentum ad hominem in the works, I see. I'll pass--I had more than enough of that from you in the last thread.
Ping me when you have remembered how to debate properly, OP. Until then, my friend, we are best off just swapping RPG in-jokes.
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posted on
08/10/2006 12:41:15 PM PDT
by
Buggman
(www.brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; xzins; blue-duncan; Buggman
All that I did was to replace "Israel" with "The White Race", and replace "Gentiles" with "Non-Whites".You have a problem as the Children of Israel in the old testament were clearly not white to begin with and many were obviously of African descent. Moses married and Ethiopian woman, so the descendants of Moses are not white.
Your analogy not only doesn't work, it is clearly offensive as is your last sentence.
The fact is that God showed favor to the Jewish nation and to the genetic descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. If you can't deal with that fact, then that is your problem. I see no problem with God having a "chosen" people and that God chose them for his purposes and for his own reasons.
The FACT that God chose the descendants of Israel to give blessings to has nothing to do with The White Race.
You lose.
BTW, IBTZ
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posted on
08/10/2006 12:42:05 PM PDT
by
P-Marlowe
(((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
To: P-Marlowe; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Buggman; blue-duncan
The fact is that God showed favor to the Jewish nation and to the genetic descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. If you can't deal with that fact, then that is your problem. I see no problem with God having a "chosen" people and that God chose them for his purposes and for his own reasons.
Why is it that when it comes to practical application, the purist calvinists have more trouble with "Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated" than do us double-predestinarian, quarter-pelagian, calvinists in the tradition of Arminius?
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posted on
08/10/2006 12:45:49 PM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Spurgeon may be right many times but I don't think John the Baptist spoke Greek!
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posted on
08/10/2006 12:48:02 PM PDT
by
vimto
(Blighty Awaken!)
To: vimto; George W. Bush; xzins; Buggman; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg
I really don't think the issue is resolved by appeal to Scripture, and is not a primary doctrine (that must be believed for Salvation) but as a Christian I support Israel because the 'promise' to you has not been rescinded. that means all Jews in Israel or otherwise.NO. You've got the whole thing wrong.
As a Christian, you ARE Israel.
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:... For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. ~~ (Apostle Saint Paul, Romans 9:6 - Galatians 6:15-16)
While I support the modern Secular, Socialist, Christ-Denying "State of Israel" on International Law grounds (anyone has a Right to Self-Defense), the teaching of the Apostle Saint Paul is that the Israel of God is... THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST.
God does not promise blessings to ANYONE for giving "extra-credit kudo points" to a Secular, Socialist State which is predicated upon the Rejection of His Beloved Son.
God never said, "I will reward you if you pledge your total support to a bunch of Christ-rejecting Pharisees who absolutely Hate My only-begotten Son. Yeah, that's really 'My Israel'... sure it is".
If anything, given how much God the Father loves His Son and how much the modern "State of Israel" hates Jesus... you might wanna stay outta the way of His Wrath.
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him. (Psalm 2:12, KJV)
Best, OP
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posted on
08/10/2006 12:48:17 PM PDT
by
OrthodoxPresbyterian
(We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Got to give it to you you are clear in what you believe.
To obtain salvation you must be a Christian. But do you not expect to see more Jews saved n Christ as the end times come? Our political arrangement in God's eyes, even the best of them, are all folly.
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posted on
08/10/2006 12:52:32 PM PDT
by
vimto
(Blighty Awaken!)
To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; PetroniusMaximus
To: Buggman; jude24; P-Marlowe; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg
Ah, another argumentum ad hominem in the works, I see. I'll pass--I had more than enough of that from you in the last thread. Ping me when you have remembered how to debate properly, OP. Until then, my friend, we are best off just swapping RPG in-jokes.Oh, good grief. At least learn the proper descriptions of the various Classical Logic Fallacies before you try them out in Debate... please.
An Argumentum ad hominem (an "Attack upon the Person") would be if I, for example, called you "a scared little Dispy heretic who's unwilling to face the realities of your own theology", and therefore claimed that nothing that you say has any value.
That would be a Logical Fallacy, of course. But I would never do such a thing.
The fact is, I am obeying the Logical forms of Analogical Reasoning exactly -- I have changed none of the Terms of the Equation, only the Variables.
And if a Given Statement would be Anti-Christian Racialist for a Christian Identity preacher to claim -- then it is equally Anti-Christian Racialist for a Dispensationalist preacher to claim (substituting only the Racial Group in question).
I have observed all normal Rules of Logic.
I call the Lawyers (Marlowe and Jude) to find one... even one Logical Error in my Analogical Equivalence (Since I have left the Terms of the Equation the same, and the exchanged Variables are each respective "Ethnic Groups", my Analogic Reasoning is without Flaw).
I made my peace gesture... the forms of Kanly have been obeyed!!
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
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posted on
08/10/2006 1:08:48 PM PDT
by
OrthodoxPresbyterian
(We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
To: vimto; MarMema; Dr. Eckleburg
To obtain salvation you must be a Christian. But do you not expect to see more Jews saved n Christ as the end times come?I dunno.
I don't expect a damn thing other than what we pray for.
Every prayer changes the entire universe. Our every prayer, each prayer, actually changes history, the way God created the world, and all else. God is outside time. God is not "waiting up there" for our prayer, and then He acts. All has already occurred in God. ~~ Albert S. Rossi, "Prayer is not Optional", Saint Vladimir's Orthodox Theological Seminary
What I do know is that we Westerners seem deeply concerned about the Land of the Jews; whereas I think we should all (certainly the Eastern Orthodox would agree!) care a little bit more for Christ's sake about the Souls of the Jews.
O Lord, my God, help me to see the insignificance of everything earthly, the majesty of the heavenly, the shortness of time and the duration of eternity. Cause that I would prepare myself for death, that I would fear Thy judgment, that I would escape Hades and that I would enter into the paradise of eternal blessedness; so that all Thy saints and Thine angels might rejoice over my salvation, and glorify Thy name, of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. ~~ AN ATHONITE PRAYER
best, OP
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posted on
08/10/2006 1:26:58 PM PDT
by
OrthodoxPresbyterian
(We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
To: PetroniusMaximus
Oh. You want me to pay attention to you.
Okay. Thou art noticed. Rejoice, and feel fulfilled.
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posted on
08/10/2006 1:29:23 PM PDT
by
OrthodoxPresbyterian
(We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"Oh. You want me to pay attention to you."
OK. Thanks for engaging. For the sake of the argument, let's assume that you do not wear women's underwear.
Why not?
Doesn't the passage you are referring to also clearly state that in Christ there is neither male or female???
Yet the distinction clearly remains - even in the NT itself!!!
In the same way, the distinction between Jew and Greek remains - even in the NT.
You absolute identification of "Israel" as the Church is dead wrong.
To: P-Marlowe; jude24; xzins; Buggman; George W. Bush; Dr. Eckleburg
You have a problem as the Children of Israel in the old testament were clearly not white to begin with and many were obviously of African descent. Moses married and Ethiopian woman, so the descendants of Moses are not white.Actually, British-Israelites will claim that the original inhabitants of Egypt and upper Ethiopia were... Whites.
Now you're just debating archaeology and Genesis-interpretation.
However, in even addressing the question, you've already admitted that the British-Israelite/Christian-Identity folks are Racially-dividing the Body of Christ along Ethnic lines. As Winston Churchill reputedly said to the Lady of Ill Repute -- we've already established where you're coming from, now we're just arguing about Price (or in this case, "Which Ethnicity", which Racial Division... which Sundering of the Body of Christ do you prefer?).
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posted on
08/10/2006 1:40:11 PM PDT
by
OrthodoxPresbyterian
(We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
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posted on
08/10/2006 1:43:21 PM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
(Colossians 2:6)
To: PetroniusMaximus
Re your #6 and #17
Stop stealing my posting style :P
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posted on
08/10/2006 1:47:41 PM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
(Colossians 2:6)
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