Skip to comments.DISPENSATIONALIST "CHRISTIAN" ZIONISM -- Is there now "neither Jew nor Gentile", or not?
Posted on 08/10/2006 12:22:56 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
A Young Fool encounters Foolishness
Once upon a time, I was but a wee child in Reformed Theology, taking my first baby-steps into the beautiful Cathedral of Calvinism as a young Debater for Jerry Falwell's world-beating Liberty Debate Team (Our Creed: "Defeat Harvard. Defeat Navy. Defeat American Catholic. Defeat everyone. Crush them all, every time, no exceptions. Win every single National Championship, every year.... because as long as we Calvinists keep winning, Jerry won't excommunicate us for being Calvinists!!".)
Since a Debater is always expected to be able to immediately argue either side of any given question, I spent a lot of time in the local used book-store picking up various books on philosophy and theology and politics and economics... anything I could get my dirt-poor hands on for $2 or $3 dollars a copy. Anything to familiarize myself with multiple intellectual perspectives and multiple modes of argumentation.
Now, in the course of my researches, I happened across a little book entitled War Cycles, Peace Cycles by Richard Kelly Hoskins of Lynchburg, Virginia, regarding the short and long-term economic effects of Monetary Expansions and Contractions in the context of fractional-reserve lending. Hoskins was by no means an uneducated fellow (a capable Financial Advisor and Econometricist, some of his works are still occasionally cited today), but I was singularly disturbed by several passages in which he seemed to suggest a Racial component to Fractional-Reserve Lending (which he called "the Babylon System") versus his contrary suggestions for Joint-Venture Lending.
One passage which stood out in my mind read as follows:
The further I read, the more it was apparent to me that Hoskins regarded "Israel" as The White Race, the Adamic Race descended through Abraham, and that all Non-Whites were considered to him to be zuwr "strangers": Pagans at worst, "Samaritan" Christians at best... but never "Israel".
And so, being the young fool that I was, I did what any young fool would do... I looked Dick Hoskins up in the Lynchburg, Virginia phone book, and called him at his house.
I asked him what he would make of my spiritual position -- a Confessing Christian by Faith, mostly Prussian German by Ethnicity, but with a little 1/16 smidgen of Sioux Nation mixed in 3 or 4 generations back on my mother's side.
Hoskins informed me, quite cordially and without any rancor whatsoever, that God considered me to be a mixed-breed Bastard and that "A Bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD." (Deuteronomy 23:2) He advised me to marry "one of my own kind".
Well, I decided at that point (even before I knew him to be the godfather of the "Phinehas Priesthood", the most violent expression of the Christian Identity movement) that even if he was a good money-runner, Dick Hoskins' theology was a barrel full of wet, smelly, foolish Scheißdreck, with which I would have no truck whatsoever. The Christian Creed is this: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28, KJV).
Unfortunately, however, "Christian Identity" (derived not from pagan Nazism but rather from its bastard godfather, British Israelism) is not the only theology which Racially divides the Body of Christ into Jew and Gentile, "Israel" and "Not-Israel", Blood and Blood-lines.
Dispensational Zionist Foolishness
The future dispensational kingdom involves a racial prejudice favoring the Jews above even saved Gentiles during the millennium. As such it re-introduces the distinction between Jew and Gentile and replaces Faith with Race as a basis for divine favor. Consider the following citations from leading dispensationalists: (DISPENSATIONAL DISTORTIONS PART TWO, Redemptive History Distortions ~~ Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., Th.D.)
However, with the establishment of the New Testament phase of the Church, the distinction between Jew and Gentile has been abolished. This was the whole point of Peter's vision of the sheet filled with unclean animals in Acts 10: "What God has called clean, let no man call unclean." Thus, there is no separate Jewish program exalting them over saved Gentiles. THE CHURCH, which includes Jew and Gentile in one body, is the fruition and culmination of God's promises to the Jews. In evidence of this, we should note that Christians are called by distinctively Jewish names in the New Testament. "He is a Jew, which is one inwardly" (Rom. 2:29). Christians are called "the circumcision" (Phil. 3:3), "the children" and "the seed of Abraham" (Gal. 3:7, 29), the "Jerusalem which is above" and the "children of the promise" (Gal. 4:24-29). In fact, Christians compose "the Israel of God" for we are a "new creature" regarding which "circumcision availeth nothing" (Gal. 6:16).
Comparing Foolishness with Foolishness
In closing, I ask only (according to the Hebrew logical-interpretive method of "how much the more?")... if the heretical British-Israel/Christian-Identity Racialists pervert True Christianity by dividing the People of God along Racial lines, then how much the more do Dispensationalists also pervert the Word of God and divide the People of God along equally Racialist lines?
Consider the following:
Those aren't Quotations from Richard Kelly Hoskins... granted, they may sound like Christian Identity quotations, but they aren't.
These are nothing less than direct quotations from the leading lights of Dispensationalism in America -- Ryrie, Pentecost, Walvoord, Hoyt, Hunt, Thomas Ice. (I could've quoted Hagee, I suppose, but the man is absolutely freakin' nutbar).
All that I did was to replace "Israel" with "The White Race", and replace "Gentiles" with "Non-Whites".
Does Dispensationalist "theology" destroy the Racial equality of the Body of Christ? What you see is what you get.
God Damn all Racial Theology.
So let's discuss the Article as written, and avoid the Gestapo and Counter-Gestapo accusations.
Ping to several folks who requested this Article.
Ping for a chance to explain my point of view.
God wrote the New Testament in Greek -- NOT Hebrew.
Enough foolish "How much Hebrew can I spout off" Judaizing.
Get in touch with God's design.
OrthodoxPresbyterian, do you wear women's underwear?
Ping me when you have remembered how to debate properly, OP. Until then, my friend, we are best off just swapping RPG in-jokes.
You have a problem as the Children of Israel in the old testament were clearly not white to begin with and many were obviously of African descent. Moses married and Ethiopian woman, so the descendants of Moses are not white.
Your analogy not only doesn't work, it is clearly offensive as is your last sentence.
The fact is that God showed favor to the Jewish nation and to the genetic descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. If you can't deal with that fact, then that is your problem. I see no problem with God having a "chosen" people and that God chose them for his purposes and for his own reasons.
The FACT that God chose the descendants of Israel to give blessings to has nothing to do with The White Race.
Why is it that when it comes to practical application, the purist calvinists have more trouble with "Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated" than do us double-predestinarian, quarter-pelagian, calvinists in the tradition of Arminius?
NO. You've got the whole thing wrong.
As a Christian, you ARE Israel.
While I support the modern Secular, Socialist, Christ-Denying "State of Israel" on International Law grounds (anyone has a Right to Self-Defense), the teaching of the Apostle Saint Paul is that the Israel of God is... THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST.
God does not promise blessings to ANYONE for giving "extra-credit kudo points" to a Secular, Socialist State which is predicated upon the Rejection of His Beloved Son.
God never said, "I will reward you if you pledge your total support to a bunch of Christ-rejecting Pharisees who absolutely Hate My only-begotten Son. Yeah, that's really 'My Israel'... sure it is".
If anything, given how much God the Father loves His Son and how much the modern "State of Israel" hates Jesus... you might wanna stay outta the way of His Wrath.
Ping to my serious question....
Oh, good grief. At least learn the proper descriptions of the various Classical Logic Fallacies before you try them out in Debate... please.
An Argumentum ad hominem (an "Attack upon the Person") would be if I, for example, called you "a scared little Dispy heretic who's unwilling to face the realities of your own theology", and therefore claimed that nothing that you say has any value.
That would be a Logical Fallacy, of course. But I would never do such a thing.
The fact is, I am obeying the Logical forms of Analogical Reasoning exactly -- I have changed none of the Terms of the Equation, only the Variables.
And if a Given Statement would be Anti-Christian Racialist for a Christian Identity preacher to claim -- then it is equally Anti-Christian Racialist for a Dispensationalist preacher to claim (substituting only the Racial Group in question).
I have observed all normal Rules of Logic.
I call the Lawyers (Marlowe and Jude) to find one... even one Logical Error in my Analogical Equivalence (Since I have left the Terms of the Equation the same, and the exchanged Variables are each respective "Ethnic Groups", my Analogic Reasoning is without Flaw).
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
I don't expect a damn thing other than what we pray for.
What I do know is that we Westerners seem deeply concerned about the Land of the Jews; whereas I think we should all (certainly the Eastern Orthodox would agree!) care a little bit more for Christ's sake about the Souls of the Jews.
O Lord, my God, help me to see the insignificance of everything earthly, the majesty of the heavenly, the shortness of time and the duration of eternity. Cause that I would prepare myself for death, that I would fear Thy judgment, that I would escape Hades and that I would enter into the paradise of eternal blessedness; so that all Thy saints and Thine angels might rejoice over my salvation, and glorify Thy name, of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. ~~ AN ATHONITE PRAYER
Okay. Thou art noticed. Rejoice, and feel fulfilled.
"Oh. You want me to pay attention to you."
OK. Thanks for engaging. For the sake of the argument, let's assume that you do not wear women's underwear.
Doesn't the passage you are referring to also clearly state that in Christ there is neither male or female???
Yet the distinction clearly remains - even in the NT itself!!!
In the same way, the distinction between Jew and Greek remains - even in the NT.
You absolute identification of "Israel" as the Church is dead wrong.
Actually, British-Israelites will claim that the original inhabitants of Egypt and upper Ethiopia were... Whites.
Now you're just debating archaeology and Genesis-interpretation.
However, in even addressing the question, you've already admitted that the British-Israelite/Christian-Identity folks are Racially-dividing the Body of Christ along Ethnic lines. As Winston Churchill reputedly said to the Lady of Ill Repute -- we've already established where you're coming from, now we're just arguing about Price (or in this case, "Which Ethnicity", which Racial Division... which Sundering of the Body of Christ do you prefer?).
Ping to read later.
Stop stealing my posting style :P