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To: rabid liberty; Buggman; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg
I fear I must object to your Dispensationalist habit of attributing "Israel Promises" to Ethnic Jews, even after Pentecost, when Saint Paul has already established in Romans 9 that all Post-Pentecost "Israel Promises" are intended BY GOD to be interpreted as applying to the spiritual Seed, i.e., The Church.

Meaning no disrespect, does Romans 9 mean nothing to you? Howzabout all the other Verses in the New Testament which establish the Church as "God's Israel"?

You must remember -- the Church has always been Israel. Israel has always been the Church.

I must confess my curiosity -- if you don't care to interpret the Old Testament Prophecies in the Light of the New Testament Exposition, then why aren't you Jewish? I'm not following you...

Anyway...

As far as the Verses themselves:

For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and [without] teraphim: Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

Hosea was written in about 750 BC. In other words, this passage may very well refer to the restoration of Jerusalem after the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity, not any imaginary apocalyptic application.

In this question (as in many others), are Dispensationalists in the business of denying that God has fulfilled His Prophecy?

Oh, right... they are.

53 posted on 08/10/2006 4:06:51 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Hosea was written in about 750 BC. In other words, this passage may very well refer to the restoration of Jerusalem after the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity, not any imaginary apocalyptic application.

 

Thank for interacting with the passage a little bit even. But you did not answer the questions I asked. Questions that deal with the exegesis of the text in question..

If this speaks of the restoration under Zerrubabel, Ezra and Nehemiah... were those the latter days as Hosea says is the time frame? Wow, the "latter days" centuries before Christ was born! Now that takes imagination!

 

Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

 

If this speaks of the restoration under Zerrubabel, Ezra and Nehemiah... how can they seek David their king? He's dead. And if you take this as a figurative reference to Christ as Messiah I will not argue, but I will ask: When at the time of the restoration did the children of Israel seek the Messiah and fear the Lord and His goodness?

I await your exegesis of these two Bible verses.

 

 


 

 

57 posted on 08/10/2006 4:20:22 PM PDT by rabid liberty (pray for the peace of Jerusalem -- psa. 122:6)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Dear Mr. OrthodoxPresbytarian:

Fogive me for saying this, but your ignorance and Un-Christlike-ness are evident for all the world to see. You quote the Apostle Paul copiously, yet you engage in a very old technique of false argumentation called selective siding. This technique ignores contrary evidence. The same Apostle said this in his Epistle to the Romans:

For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the brances, were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them become a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree. Do not boast against the branches. But if you boast, remember, that you do not support the root, but the root supports you (11:16-18).


God broke of some of the natural branches to make room for Gentiles (wild branches). He can just as easily break off those natural branches and graft in those belonging to the root by nature. The Church is supported by Israel, it is not Israel, and to identify it with Israel shows a profound misunderstanding of the Bible.
356 posted on 08/24/2006 12:09:49 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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