Posted on 08/14/2006 11:20:26 AM PDT by Rampolla
There's an icon of the Pope of Rome and the Patricarch of Constantinople in a church in Greece.
Sorry. Can't help it. Wouldn't it be a blessing if that schism were healed?
depends on the circumstances.
Yes, it certainly would be a blessing.
The schism was, in theory healed in 1453, but still, no aid got to Constantinopolos in time to stop the Turks.
Well, "healed", not "scabbed over".
It was not even remotely near to healing. It was to be ratified by the Synod of Greek Bishops but never was.
I'm curious which Pope of Rome, and which Patriarch of Constantinople. Icons don't depict offices, they depict Our Lord, His Mother, and His friends, the saints.
Plenty of Popes of Rome are saints of the Orthodox Church, for instance St. Gregory the Dialogist (called St. Gregory the Great in the West). We still use his Divine Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts during Great Lent, while the Latins don't.
I have seen, for instance, an icon of 'the Liturgists' with a Pope of Rome (St. Gregory the Dialogist), a Patriarch of Constantinople (St. John Chrysostom) and a Bishop of Caesarea (St. Basil the Great), being the three saints whose liturgies have been in more-or-less constant use in the Orthodox Church for the past, oh, millenium and a half.
Incidentally, almost all of the icons we have are post-iconoclast, with the exception of a few preserved at St. Catherine's Monastary in Sinai, though on Mt. Athos, there is a bas-relief icon of the Theotokos 'written' in carved mastic by St. Luke the Evangelist, *from life*--tradition holds that the Virgin Mary sat for the icon to be done as a portait! (I've forgotten which monastery has it).
There was a reconciliation in the 11th century when Constantinople appealed to the west for aid against the Turks. Pope Urban II saw it as an opportunity to heal the schism and called for the First Crusade in 1096. The Crusader army that defeated the Turks and captured Jerusalem was complrised of thee basic nationalities: Greeks, Franks (from Germany and France) and Vikings (from Normandy, England, Denmark and Viking held Sicily).
Thank you for your reply. I wish I had more information. I presume the Pope of Rome and the Patriarch would be saints. Perhaps Pope Gregory and St. Germanus? I am working from an e-mail of a priest-friend of mine who said he remembered an icon in Greece with a Pope of Rome and a Patriarch of Constantinople side by side. Is there an image of the icon you mention on the web?
Very interesting screen name.
What would you say if I said Giuseppe Sarto?
I found the icon of the Liturgists. Thank you.
Easy. Pope St.Pius X. If am not mistaken the Austrian veto was raised in the conclave to prevent the election of Rampolla.
I have some more information: This is a specific icon written on the wall of a church in Greece depicting two contemporary saints, one the pope and the other the partriarch of Constantinople, both being in office at the same time.
Right you are, mate!
Interestingly, I read somewhere that the veto, which must have been particularly galling to Italians coming from Austria, was delivered by the cardinal archbishop of Crakow. It was, of course, the last such as St Pius X suppressed the practice soon after his election.
Wouldn't be one of St Andrew and St Peter would it.
They both appear in the Last Supper.
Since St Andrew was the brother of St Peter and St Andrew is considered the 1st Patriarch of Constantinople and St Peter the 1st Bishop of Rome could this be what you're looking for?
You can find an icon of Paul, Peter, and Andrew at http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/catherines2-32.htm.
I'm sure a further search will find them together when St Andrew found St Peter near the boat and told him of the Lord.
Another icon of St Peter, St Andrew, and Christ in a boat
http://www.printeryhouse.org/mall/Icons/Discipleship/a04.asp
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