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To: Running On Empty; Alex Murphy; COBOL2Java; Salvation; wagglebee; My Favorite Headache
This one is really in bad taste.

C'mon. It might be tongue in cheek but Alex's paragraph succiently makes its point. Why can't you pray to George the Plumber instead of Mary? Are there special things Mary does that St. George doesn't do? (Although if memory serves me correctly there's already a saint of plumbing.)

In the final analysis, God shows NO partiality-to anyone. I would say when the scriptures state that, it includes Mary. Mary asking our Lord Jesus to do something at a wedding and granting it has been blown totally out of proportion. Many people asked things of our Lord. Most of the time He granted their request. A few times He didn't. Do you think Mary has more clout than James and John?

The Assumption of Mary by William Webster

27 posted on 09/08/2006 6:28:04 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; Running On Empty; Alex Murphy; COBOL2Java; Salvation; wagglebee; My Favorite Headache
Mary asking our Lord Jesus to do something at a wedding

Preface: IMHO Mary certainly is someone to be admired and held in high esteem by all Christians.

Serious question: If Mary is at the level where our Catholic friends place her, why couldn't she change the water into wine herself?

30 posted on 09/08/2006 6:34:39 AM PDT by Gamecock (The GRPL: Because life is too short for bad Theology*)
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To: HarleyD

Harley,

We CAN ask George the Plumer to pray for us if he is a departed believer. Who said we can't?


37 posted on 09/08/2006 6:59:51 AM PDT by newberger (Christ s risen from the dead, trampling down death by death!)
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To: HarleyD

Thanks.

That was a great link.


39 posted on 09/08/2006 7:06:19 AM PDT by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: HarleyD; Running On Empty; Alex Murphy; COBOL2Java; Salvation; wagglebee; My Favorite Headache; ...
Mary is our mother - and that includes you. In the same way as the woman who bore you is called your mother and not the mother of your body only, Mary is the mother of the whole person of Jesus Christ, who is God (cf. Colossians 2:9). The Church proclaimed this truth in the Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D.

Similarly, the body of believers, the Church, are Christ's body (cf. 1 Corinthians 12:27-31; Ephesians 4:1-6, 15-16; Colossians 1:18; etc.) and since Mary is the mother of Christ, she is also the mother of all us believers. And, as if these facts would not be enough, Jesus himself gave us Mary as our mother as he hung dying on the cross (cf. John 19).

The Mother of God, your mother, deserves the utmost respect.

41 posted on 09/08/2006 7:13:11 AM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: HarleyD

Excellent link, Harley. We're all sinners, saved by God's grace alone.


121 posted on 09/08/2006 11:33:11 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: HarleyD
n the final analysis, God shows NO partiality-to anyone. I would say when the scriptures state that, it includes Mary. Mary asking our Lord Jesus to do something at a wedding and granting it has been blown totally out of proportion. Many people asked things of our Lord. Most of the time He granted their request. A few times He didn't. Do you think Mary has more clout than James and John?

Since Protestants don't believe in intercessory prayer, wouldn't it have made MUCH more sense for the following exchange to have occurred?

MARY: They've run out of wine.

JESUS: That's too bad. Unfortunately, the bride and groom didn't think it was important enough to come and tell me themselves. Instead, they insult Me by involving someone like you.

MARY: But --

JESUS: -- Gee, look at the time. I gotta run.

129 posted on 09/08/2006 12:05:36 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: HarleyD
"Why can't you pray to George the Plumber instead of Mary? "

Oh, but I can. I can even pray to you.

Like this:

HarleyD, please pray for me.

187 posted on 09/08/2006 5:13:07 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Bible tells me so.)
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