THE ANTI-CATHOLIC NATURE OF FREEMASONRY

Catholic Church Teaching on Freemasonry ^ | March 17, 1927 | MARTIN J. SCOTT, S.J.

[oldtimer]

Thanks - I have a lot of respect for the Catholic Church, more than you would suspect.

Just get tired of the shots at the Freemasons. Am a 32KCCH (one degree below the 33rd), and know the Masons to be a benign fraternity with the best interests of all mankind as a mission - AND, I know the Catholic Church is the same.

[ladyinred]

You may take it for granted that the Church has clearly and infallibly defined that all those who die outside the Ark, the Catholic Church, are lost for all eternity. They must first enter the Church, and remain within her until death, as the Church has most clearly stated.

Well I am certainly thankful then, that God doesn't feel that way.

[reductio]

He does think that way. He shed His blood over it.

[reductio]

The truth of the matter is that Freemasonry's only real enemy is one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church. There are twin principles by which the Freemasons war against the Church directly; one, by spreading the error that there is salvation outside the Church, and two, by spreading the error that the Church and state ought to be considered separate. These errors are symbiotic. By this means they seek a society devoid of God and the glorification of fallen man while at the same time presenting themselves to the public as having only noble aims which they claim to be in harmony with the objectives of the Catholic Church when in fact they seek the fulfillment of the City of Man described by St. Augustine, opposed in principle and ends to the City of God, which can only ever be the Catholic Church.

Both errors, that of salvation outside the Church and the separation of Church and state, have been condemned by the Catholic Church, and no Catholic may hold them.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

Thank you for your courageous stand.

[nopardons]

Fifty years ago, there was a joke going around, the punchline of which was that there was a high wall around a part of heaven. When the newly entered person asks an angel why there was a walled off section in heaven, he is told :." SO THAT THE CATHOLICS DON'T SEE HOW MANY PROTESTANTS ARE HERE." :-)

[nopardons]

Thank you for your kind words, but you aren't responsible for the other poster's reply.

You are an honorable man.

[reductio]

One section? The whole thing is walled off.

"And he took me up in spirit to a great and high mountain: and he shewed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God, and the light thereof was like to a precious stone, as to the jasper stone, even as crystal. 12 And it had a wall great and high, having twelve gates, and in the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel. 13 On the east, three gates: and on the north, three gates: and on the south, three gates: and on the west, three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them, the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb ... And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb."

A garden enclosed, and fountain sealed per Canticle of Canticles (Song of Solomon); the Catholic Church.

[reductio]

He's also in direct conflict with the infallible teachings of the Catholic Church.

[nopardons]

Stop being so obtuse! The joke ( and I'm a very bad teller of jokes ), is about how a tiny section of heaven is walled off, so that the Catholics' perception of heaven wouldn't be shattered, by finding out that they weren't the ONLY Christians in heaven.

You want to continue to be a bigot? Fine, but don't expect the rest of us to take your guff silently.

[nopardons]

The Catholic church isn't "infallible".

[reductio]

Maybe some of you people need some time to tie together a few loose ends here and there.

[reductio]

I saved the page.

[ladyinred]

I am sorry, but I totally disagree with you. Yes, He did shed His blood for the us all, NOT the Catholic Church alone. I am just so sickened by this attitude no matter what tradition it comes from. Jesus died for US ALL! Yours is not the only "Church." You will see Protestants in Heaven reductio as well as Catholics, etc.

[ladyinred]

LOL! I know there are some Catholics here who don't feel this way, but until I started visiting this area of FR I stupidly had no idea any of them did! I don't like that kind of thinking in Protestants who feel they are the only ones either. Nice to see you over here!

[nopardons]

Maybe you shouldn't post the things you do.

[reductio]

Looks like we've kicked a bit of a hornet's nest here, haven't we?

[nopardons]

This is why I NEVER go to the religion section of FR and think that it is a very deleterious addition to this forum. Sometimes a thread I'm on gets moved to this section and I unwittingly wind up here. IMHO religious wars don't belong on a political site.

I strongly object to and am very offended by those who claim that their religion/church/religious tenets are THE ONLY ONE and that everyone else is 1) a heretic 2) will burn in hell forever 3)is a worthless and/or stupid person 3)etc.

It's so nice to see and talk with you again! :-)

[reductio]

What I've laid out on this thread is merely a restatement of the authentic teaching of the Catholic Church. Whether you or anyone likes it or not, that's what the Catholic teaching is; there you have it, in black and white, clearly stated. Now when some supposed Catholic comes along and tells you otherwise, you'll know that they aren't really following what their own church teaches. It's all as clear as a bell.

Now I believe what the Catholic Church teaches, and there's something to be learned about pluralism in stating openly the beliefs of the Catholic Faith, and it is this... that one can show rather quickly the inherent hypocrisy of pluralism, which, in the name of tolerance, is itself guilty of being intolerant of the teaching of the Catholic Church by calling it bigotry. Classic liberalism: be guilty of your own accusations.