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Benedict did not grovel during his Angelus address
What Does The Prayer Really Say? ^ | 17 September 2006 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 09/17/2006 8:20:38 PM PDT by Petrosius

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1 posted on 09/17/2006 8:20:40 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Salvation; Mrs. Don-o

Ping!


2 posted on 09/17/2006 8:21:12 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius


Muslims heard what they wanted to hear, and now the press that revels in apologies, are hearing what they want to hear and reporting it.


3 posted on 09/17/2006 8:23:43 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: onyx

Pope makes remarks about violence and religion, with specific references to Islam.

Media and Muslims mischaracterize his speech and attack him.

Pope takes nothing back, but says he's sorry peoples' feelings were hurt, and that wasn't the point.

"Conservatives" mischaracterize his follow-up statement and attack him.


4 posted on 09/17/2006 8:31:55 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: JohnnyZ

Such clarity in four concise sentences.

BEAVO!


5 posted on 09/17/2006 8:34:01 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: Petrosius
Excellent post; thank you!
6 posted on 09/17/2006 8:37:11 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: JohnnyZ; Coleus

I am deeply sorry...

that certain members of Islam who are in a death cult...

were offended by my quote of a historical figure in the Church...

who understood the desires and methods of those who follow Mohamed.


7 posted on 09/17/2006 8:40:18 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Petrosius

bump for later.


8 posted on 09/17/2006 8:51:18 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Petrosius; All

Thank you for posting.
And hear hear to all who've followed.


9 posted on 09/17/2006 8:51:48 PM PDT by BurrOh (Kerry, honored member of War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City)
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To: JohnnyZ
Pope takes nothing back, but says he's sorry peoples' feelings were hurt, and that wasn't the point.

But the Holy Father's remarks are even stronger than that. Perhaps a better translation for "sono vivamente rammaricato per le reazioni" is: "I am deeply troubled by the reactions", i.e. "I am upset at how the Muslims have reacted." He is criticizing their actions not expressing regret at their wounded sensibilities.

10 posted on 09/17/2006 8:54:38 PM PDT by Petrosius
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11 posted on 09/17/2006 9:09:34 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, geese, algae)
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To: Petrosius; redgirlinabluestate; DadOfTwoMarines; aimee5291; GatorGirl; maryz; ...

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If you want on (or off) this Catholic and Pro-Life ping list, let me know!



12 posted on 09/17/2006 9:30:30 PM PDT by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: Petrosius

Theodicy is not a Muslim concern. Evil and good are different sides of the same coin. They make Calvinists seem like Pelagians.


13 posted on 09/17/2006 10:19:33 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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Here's what the Pope said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_09_06_pope.pdf


14 posted on 09/17/2006 11:19:10 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
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To: Sun

'Dear Brothers and Sisters,

The Pastoral Visit which I recently made to Bavaria was a deep spiritual experience, bringing together personal memories linked to places well known to me and pastoral initiatives towards an effective proclamation of the Gospel for today. I thank God for the interior joy which he made possible, and I am also grateful to all those who worked hard for the success of this Pastoral Visit. As is the custom, I will speak more of this during next Wednesday’s General Audience. At this time, I wish also to add that I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims. These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought. Yesterday, the Cardinal Secretary of State published a statement in this regard in which he explained the true meaning of my words. I hope that this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the true meaning of my address, which in its totality was and is an invitation to frank and sincere dialogue, with great mutual respect.


It pretty much restates what was said in the statement before:

I'm very sorry your feelings were hurt by my quoting the emperor. Those were his words, not mine. Let's talk.

He didn't backtrack on any of his conclusions: 1) God is reasonable. 2) Violence in the name of God is wrong 3)Rationality without room for the metaphysical, for religion and God is also wrong.

Implied in 1 and 2 is a veiled, but readable conclusion that the Islamic view of God is wrong. This he has not backed off of.


15 posted on 09/17/2006 11:38:36 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Petrosius
He is criticizing their actions not expressing regret at their wounded sensibilities.

That's pretty much how Fox is reporting this morning in their news breaks.

They also reported that sharpshooters were stationed around during the Pope's address, and the faithful who attended went through metal detectors.

16 posted on 09/18/2006 1:14:30 AM PDT by maryz
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They also reported that sharpshooters were stationed around during the Pope's address, and the faithful who attended went through metal detectors.

Seems to me that the Muslim agitators have been waiting for an opportunity to go after the Pope and they think they have found one that will resonate with their followers and enablers. It gives them the excuse they need in order to act like angry children and intimidate the rest of us, especially the poor Christians living under their control.

17 posted on 09/18/2006 1:37:29 AM PDT by Diva
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To: Knitting A Conundrum


BUMP and thanks. You're exactly right.


18 posted on 09/18/2006 1:39:43 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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Bump!!!


19 posted on 09/18/2006 3:19:23 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: Petrosius
He had to apologize without apologizing while keeping his agenda on the table.

Exactly right.

But as usual, the MSM is making a hash of the whole thing. They really piss me off.

20 posted on 09/18/2006 4:40:46 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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