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To: topcat54; Diego1618; DouglasKC; kerryusama04; whipitgood; Buggman; Dr. Eckleburg
Hmmmm....I don't quite understand this argument of worshiping on Saturday or Sunday. It seems to me that Jesus did away with worshiping in one set location, on one set day.

Seems to me our Lord and Paul is saying that our worship is our service. There is no need for tabernacles, synogues, etc. Paul apparently was teaching people to worship contrary to what the Law which tells me he was not following the Jewish traditions.

This doesn't negate believers from coming together, and while worship is a part of coming together it is not the purpose. The purpose of believers coming together is for their edification and to partake of the Lord's Supper:

I can find no scriptural reference for believers specifically coming together at a set place and time for a ceremonial worship. In fact scriptures indicate our service and dedication to be our worship. This is in line with the Old Testament:


468 posted on 10/01/2006 1:10:43 AM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luk 24:45)
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To: HarleyD; topcat54; Diego1618; kerryusama04; whipitgood; Buggman; Dr. Eckleburg
Hmmmm....I don't quite understand this argument of worshiping on Saturday or Sunday. It seems to me that Jesus did away with worshiping in one set location, on one set day.

Jesus did do away with worshipping in one set location. Nobody is arguing that. But you added "one set day".

Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshiped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Location. Location. Location. And note, "in truth". God is truth. God's commandments, including the 4th, is truth.

Seems to me our Lord and Paul is saying that our worship is our service. There is no need for tabernacles, synogues, etc. Paul apparently was teaching people to worship contrary to what the Law which tells me he was not following the Jewish traditions.
Act 18:12-13 But while Gallio was proconsul of Achaia, the Jews with one accord rose up against Paul and brought him before the judgment seat, saying, "This man persuades men to worship God contrary to the law."

Paul was ACCUSED of teaching contrary to the law...and if he did then it was the manmade laws, the non-scriptural laws and customs that evolved around judaism. But did Paul violate scripture? Let him speak in his own defense:

Act 24:13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Paul believed ALL things in the law and prophets. The 4th commandment, the sabbath commandment IS written in the law and prophets. God, through the mouth of Paul, in holy scripture, is saying that he believes the sabbath of God. Why don't you?

This doesn't negate believers from coming together, and while worship is a part of coming together it is not the purpose. The purpose of believers coming together is for their edification and to partake of the Lord's Supper:

Paul said:

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

NOT forsaking assembling together. When do you suppose, in the bible, that God specifically commands that we assemble together for worship? When are we not supposed to forsake?

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, a holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

The author of Hebrews, thought to be Paul, who believes all the law and prophets,is specifically telling the followers of Jesus Christ NOT to forsake ASSEMBLING together. The only time they were ever commanded by God to assemble together was on God's holy days, including the weekly sabbath. That's what he is instructing them, and us, not to forsake.

469 posted on 10/01/2006 5:25:53 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: HarleyD; topcat54; Diego1618; DouglasKC; whipitgood; Buggman; Dr. Eckleburg
Hmmmm....I don't quite understand this argument of worshiping on Saturday or Sunday. It seems to me that Jesus did away with worshiping in one set location, on one set day.

Worshipping every day is noble and I personally think we all do this when we say our prayers and such. I heard that John Ascroft had prayer meetings before work when he as AG. We should all be so fortunate as to have a place of work so friendly to worship of God. Those of us who keep the Sabbath in accordance with the scriptures worship God as often as we can as well. However, the volumes of information provided us in the scriptures indicate that God does indeed want everyone to keep His Commandments.

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I like to save the red color for the words of Christ.

1Sa 15:22-23 Samuel said, "Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of divination, And insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He has also rejected you from being king."

To obey what? God, men, or our own convictions?

470 posted on 10/01/2006 8:36:39 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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