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To: topcat54; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg; XeniaSt; Diego1618; Buggman
Matthew 5:17-20 seems to be the heart of the issue. I've asked this before, but I'm not sure I recall the answer, how does anyone square the language of Matt. 5 with, for example, the book of Hebrews esp. with respect to all the laws regarding the sacrifices and the Levitical priesthood? How do you square Matt. 5 with regard to the law being a "shadow" (Heb. 10:1)?

No, TC, all the scriptures I cited in post 105 have a common theme - The Law. What you reference regarding Levitical Laws have been covered time and time again. The animal sacrifices were required for the forgiveness of sin prior to Christ. Christ fulfilled that part. Sin remains, obviously, but Christ's sacrifice once for all is the fulfillment part of 5:17. Another part, that is a continuation of this fulfillment, is that we confess our sins directly to the Lord now, thus we don't need the priesthood.

Now, if sin remains, and sin is the transgression of the Law, then the Law remains. How do you define the Law? Christ warns us to not break "these least Commandments" and especially not to teach men to do so. What can possibly be considered "these least Commandments" if not the 10 Commandments spoken by God directly to the Chosen People and written in stone by His finger? Revelation says the remnant keep the Commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. What can possibly be the Commandments of God if not the 10 Commandments. I'm open to it being more, but it simply cannot be less than those precious 10.

Paul writes that the brethren are to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. Aren't you the least bit worried about your salvation? What is your definition of "lawlessness"? Do you really want to bank your afterlife on the "penumbra of an emanation" of scripture that is Sunday worship?

And please refrain from answering by quoting some theologian. I want to know what it is you believe. Most of us on the right side of this issue have bared our theology for all the world to see. Let us see yours now.

111 posted on 10/11/2006 5:44:02 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: kerryusama04; topcat54; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg; XeniaSt; Diego1618; ...
Christ warns us to not break "these least Commandments" and especially not to teach men to do so. What can possibly be considered "these least Commandments" if not the 10 Commandments spoken by God directly to the Chosen People and written in stone by His finger?

Rarely do I get involve in these types of conversations and I have not closely followed this conversation. If a person wants to worship on Saturday or Sunday, it doesn't matter-or it shouldn't matter. What I see is a hidden belief that if one does not worship on Saturday, they are transgressing the Law of God. Isn't this correct?

Let's take this a step further. It is being said that we are required to keep the Ten Commandments. Now this is different than simply worshiping on Saturday and has progressed to the next level. We're not only require to go to church on Saturday, according to the Law, but now we are required to keep the Ten Commandments. Sounds OK so far, and it is hard to argue with the fact that we should not murder but, as the TV commercial exclaims, "There's more."

The dietary laws are not part of the Ten Commandments. Yet we are also told that we should observe these commands as well. These don't seem to be as important as the other laws which should be more rigirously enforced. Now we have moved from the Ten Commandments to saying all (or some) 613 laws are in full effect. Yet it seems upon the whim of individuals which of these 613 laws should be in effect. Are people saying that all Christians are required to follow these as well? If it is just "whatever God lays upon your heart" then what is the discussion for?

The problem in all of this goes back to worshiping on Saturday or Sunday. If you wish to go on record as saying this is part of the Law, then, as the progression shows all 613 laws are in full effect. If this is true then it is a very serious matter for those who do not follow these laws are willfully (or out of ignorance) breaking God's commandments. Furthermore, those Messianic Jews who don't follow all 613 Laws are willfully breaking them unless they have some sort of Biblical justification (it better be good) for not following them.

This creates a dilemma. Are the Messianic Jews prepared to tell the rest of us we are willfully breaking God's Laws? Isn't this legalism?

116 posted on 10/12/2006 5:28:53 AM PDT by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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