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To: HarleyD; Buggman; kerryusama04; topcat54; 1000 silverlings; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg; XeniaSt
I would suggest that since both you and Buggman posted opposite views and you reference him, that a conference is in order to straighten out this confusion. It's no wonder TC is scratching his head.

We didn't post opposite views. When I said:

"As Buggman pointed out, obedience goes both ways. Scripture is pretty clear that there is an active part of obedience, choice, in what do"

I was responding to your post #167. I was referencing Buggmans post #170 in reference to obedience, in which he said

"there's a bit of both, Harley. The Spirit transforms us from within, giving us a new heart of flesh on which is written God's Torah--but we also have to continually, day-by-day and decision-by-decision yield to the Spirit, and we always have the choice to disobey.."

You quoted Buggmans post #176, in which he offered that he kept the torah because he was saved.

And for the record, I agree with Buggmans post #176. I keep God's commandments because God has granted me his holy spirit, his grace, and I want to obey and be in line with his will.

To avoid confusion you should have realized that there were two separate topics being discussed.

185 posted on 10/13/2006 8:33:00 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: HarleyD; Buggman; kerryusama04; topcat54; 1000 silverlings; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg; XeniaSt
An addendum to the previous post.

A good example in scripture about obedience in regards to being saved can be found in the parable of the prodigal son.

The prodigal son left (was lost) and lived a hard life. When he finally returned to the father, his fervant desire was to obey his father's commands:

Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

So though the son was given grace by the father he desired to make up for his past behavior by becoming his fathers servant and obeying his commands.

186 posted on 10/13/2006 8:49:04 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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