Posted on 10/13/2006 5:48:15 AM PDT by Maeve
About 90 came through the Pastoral Provision process. No one can give a correct figure because some bishops used other canons and not the Pastoral Provision in these matters. In England there were hundreds who came in, and many a parish that would have closed is served now by a former Anglican priest.
That's a veeeeeery bad sign.
In the end, Fr. Pavone moved to the Diocese of Amarillo, Texas (with the remarkable Bishop Yanta).
BTW, do you understand the canon law regarding a move like this? I thought priests were stuck with their local bishop.
I'm not the Canon Law expert in the family -- but I do know that it happened with help from Rome.
I've lived in the NY Archdiocese all my life, and I know nothing about this. I know that the Cardinal has closed some churches and schools. I don't know what his voting record is in the NCCB. I haven't heard a thing about priests' thoughts concerning Cardinal Egan - don't even have any "allegeds" to go on.
I will say this, however, just as the last two Popes have not been Italian (I know the Holy Spirit picks them), maybe it's time to consider the choice of a NY Cardinal who's not Irish. To choose a specific man having particular gifts, which are especially needed by this Archdiocese, rather than selecting one by ethnic group.
Being Irish myself, I absolutely agree that being ethnic Irish should not enter into it. And after this one, we need an Italian like Fr. Pavone made Archbishop.
My experience with the orthodox ECUSA priests (the only potential source for Anglican Use priests) is that they are the polar opposite of "lavender". I don't think any are homosexual (and as the daughter of a professional dancer my gaydar is fairly accurate) but if they are they are living chastely and discreetly and minding their own business.
In fact, my experience is that the homosexual Episcopal priests are also the most loony-liberal in theology and therefore the least likely to go over to Rome. Any traffic would be in the opposite direction (and good riddance). It's quite true that some of these guys are nutty about the "high church" trappings - vestments, incense, etc. - but they can have all that without leaving ECUSA.
What's the basis for your statement?
"A priest does owe obedience and respect to his bishop"
Is there anything -- anything -- a bishop can to to lose this entitlement to obedience and respect?
What was the reason for this?
Or Bishop Fabian Bruskiewicz. He's been #1 on my wish list for years!
From the top.... Name-Diocese-details
Brown - Orange, CA - 69
Clark - Rochester - 69
DuMaine - San Jose, CA - resigned 1999
Egan - NY - very nearly 75
Favalora - Miami - 70
Ferrerio - Honolulu - dead
Flores - San Antonio - retired 2004
Flynn - St. Paul - 62
Gerety - Newark - retired 1986
Grahmann - Dallas - 75 not retired yet
Hubbard - Albany - 67
Imesch - Joliet - retired 5/2006
Jadot - Curia - 96 retired 1984
Keller /Keleher - Kansas - resigned 2005
Kelly - which one there are 7 to choose from
Law - Curia - resigned from Boston in disgrace 2002
Loverde - Arlington, VA - 66
Lynch - there are 4
Mahony - Los Angeles - 70
Maida - Detroit - 76
McCarrick - Washington DC - retired 5/2006
Myers - Newark - 65
Pilarczyk - Cincinnati - 72
Sullivan - which one there are 7 to choose from
Skylstad - Spokane - 72
Trautmann - Erie - 70
Untener - Saginaw - died 2004
Weakland - Milwaukee - retired 2002
*LOL Umm, the sspx is a schism
The SSPX has built a facility to retrain N.O. Priests in the Latin Mass and orthodoxy. Rome is ready to help.
*Really? The Pope is planning to enlist the schism in retraining Priests in union with Rome? Is there a shortage in antisemitism that needs to be addressed? Do faithful priests in union with Rome need to be re-educated so as to understand the normative mass is evil? Do priests in union with Rome need to be re-educated Vatican Two is heretical?
I must confess I was unaware the Pope had such ideas and had co-ordinated with the schism to undertake such a vast and radical program.
The things one learns in FR :)
I just got down to here after posting my response to narses.
I see we are on the same wave length, again :)
Isn't it ah, um, interesting so many soi disdant traditionalists, in opposiiton to all Tradition, place their hope in Schism?
If such hopes were not the beacon leading them on the road to Perdition, it would actually be laughable.
They do not appear to be charging the archbishop with believing or promoting heresy. I would ask you, are the bishops the successors of the apostles or not?
I gotta say that I can't keep up with the distinctions between Anglican/Episcipal/Lutheran communions, however I met a young, married convert not too long ago, who went on to become a Catholic priest through Mt. Saint Mary's Seminary. He was top of his class, a faithful servant and a righteous dude - also a military chaplain. His name is Tyson Wood. I understand the lavendar concerns, but this need not apply to this young man.
I've only heard good stuff about other priest converts.
Please keep our seminarians and young priests in your prayers. I believe this new generation is a breed apart from the clergy that we saw moving through the seminary in the 60's, 70's and 80's, but needless to say there are those who would take delight in seeing them fail.
Possibly, the Cardinal may have gotten rid of some "questionable" Seminary faculty (if you know what I mean), and this is their retaliation. Of course, when the words tolerant and diversity rear their heads, I become immediately suspicious of motives.
My 2 cents -- I think conservative (non-progressive) Priests aren't the type to send out "NO-Confidence" ballots. IMO, We have a TOP DOWN heirarchy, which conservatives "get", and progresives don't.
"...he's a money-grubbin' homo who makes a mockery of the faith, but that would have really ensured he stays until he's 80."
I'm a bit on the outside with things in NY, but the mere fact that Egan rates high praise from some in the NY press gives me pause for suspicion.
Why would a Cardinal of the Church try to squash Priests for Life?
I think Bishop Michael Driscoll of Boise belongs on your list.
You might consider adding McCormack, Murphy and Niederauer.
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