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Schism is coming. The SSPX has built a facility to retrain N.O. Priests in the Latin Mass and orthodoxy. Rome is ready to help. The Lavender Mafia is going NUTS. This is the last hope for the Anglican Church world wide, as they get thousands of 'liberal' and 'former' Catholic clergy. A fair trade, as we will soon get hundreds of their Orthodox clerics.
The battle is joined and the Paraclete gave as a truly Holy Father to help set the Church in order. Deo Gratias!
Has anyone met some of the Anglican priest converts to the RC Church??????????
Lavender indeed - even some of the "married" ones.
I understand that you have had a bad time in the northwest under the likes of former Seattle Archbishop Hunthausen but that does NOT justify cuddling up to the little band of vicious SSPX schismatics who are no better than Hunthausen in their opposition to papal authority, miserable excuses for Catholics (to the point where Ecclesia Dei and their excommunications and the declaration of their schism was necessitated by their rebellious attitude, violation of priestly vows as to their priests and unauthorized bishops and general anti-Catholic behavior).
As to learning the Tridentine liturgy, this is not nuclear physics. In the Hartford Archdiocese, the priests are trained by an absolutely Catholic layman who is Master of Ceremonies at Sacred Heart Church in New Haven. In Oakland and Rockford and probably many other dioceses, priests have been easily trained without the intervention of the Church's SSPX enemies. Centuries of Catholic altar boys learned with relative ease their part of the Tridentine Mass from their parish priests. Priests are educated adults. Those willing to learn and say the Tridentine Mass will have no difficulty. Actually Catholic orders like the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, and the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (founded by SSPX priests who finally figured out that they should return to the Roman Catholic Church if they wanted to be, ummmm, Roman Catholics) can train the diocesan priests. In any event, we do not want our priests trained in ANYTHING by those whose ideas and resultant behavior have caused them to be justly declared schismatic and excommunicated.
No one died and left the SSPX in charge of disciplining the Church or the pope or the papacy. Rather the contrary. Make a timeless example of them and their punishment.
IF the Vatican should ever allow these creatures to crawl back into the Church, may their illicit bishops be permanently silenced and cloistered and their priests as well unless and until they fully confess and renounce their ecclesiastical crimes. Likewise any who rebel from the liturgical or ecclesiastical left.
I prefer the Tridentine and would very much like to see it become again the normative Mass of the Roman Catholic Church. Novus Ordo should be tolerated until it dies on its own (as it surely will) and with the proviso that abuses not be allowed. Restore the high altars and altar rails and tabernacles. Severely punish ANY priest who for ANY reason violates orthodoxy or vows or liturgy. Restore order. Save the most severe and humiliating punishments for the illicit bishops and ringleaders clerical and lay.
Did you mean that Rome is ready to "help" SSPX to train our priests? How generous of those excommunicated to be willing to accept Rome's "help!"
The battle has always been joined. John Paul II was given to us as was Benedict XVI and John Paul I and several hundred others---each and every one of them, just by virtue of election, the Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth. You did not mean that John Paul II was not a "truly Holy Father" simply because of his excommunication of the Lefebvrite miscreant schismatics, right???? His are the shoes of the Fisherman in which Benedict XVI now walks. No revisionist history!
The Lavender Mafia are often quite in love with the smells and bells and classical music and high art of the traditional Roman Catholic Church. It is obedience to the Church's leaders and standards that escapes them and, in that, they are quite similar to SSPX and such. There is or was an Anglican "High Mass" at Christ Church on Broadway in New Haven, Connecticut, in the heart of the Yale area, which was sooooooo traditional that visiting Catholic trads attended and participated without realizing that it was a Protestant (High Anglican) Church. In New Haven, we locals also knew that it was tres lavender as well.
Of course, the Lavender Mafia needs to be investigated and punished as vigorously as the SSPX needs to be. Rome doesn't have to choose between them. Rome can deal with all of them with enthusiasm and vigor and due severity.
You are being delusional as to the Anglicans as well. The Vicki Gene types and wing will get no benefit from the influx of rebellious liberals willing to trade Catholic truth for apostasy and trendiness. Most of the worldwide Anglican community is in a state of suffering utter disgust in response to the Vicki Gene types. This is particularly true of the Anglicans in Africa. Look for them to come to Rome as have many of the Anglo-American conservatives in Anglicanism already.
As to Edward Cardinal Egan, he is a failed experiment. Rome should pick up his resignation instantly on April 2, 2007, as an obvious message and appoint a superb successor (with a bullwhip and a smile and the temperament to use both) on April 3, 2007, lest the NY archdiocesan priests imagine that it is for them to decide who Egan's successor should be.
*LOL Umm, the sspx is a schism
The SSPX has built a facility to retrain N.O. Priests in the Latin Mass and orthodoxy. Rome is ready to help.
*Really? The Pope is planning to enlist the schism in retraining Priests in union with Rome? Is there a shortage in antisemitism that needs to be addressed? Do faithful priests in union with Rome need to be re-educated so as to understand the normative mass is evil? Do priests in union with Rome need to be re-educated Vatican Two is heretical?
I must confess I was unaware the Pope had such ideas and had co-ordinated with the schism to undertake such a vast and radical program.
The things one learns in FR :)