Posted on 10/19/2006 6:23:52 PM PDT by NYer
Please point out where, and which doctrine, Amazing Grace is "in error with Catholic teaching" with. I've looked at the lyrics, and I don't see any such.
"Amazing Grace! How sweet the sound That saved a wretch like me! I once was lost, but now am found Was blind, but now I see."
"'Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear, And Grace my fears relieved. How precious did that Grace appear The hour I first believed."
"Through many dangers, toils, and snares I have already come. 'Tis Grace hath brought me safe thus far And Grace will lead me home."
"The Lord has promised good to me. His Word my hope secures. He will my shield and portion be As long as life endures."
"When we've been there ten thousand years Bright shining as the sun, We've no less days to sing God's praise Than when we'd first begun."
Oh, this is helpful...NOT!
I guess i have to continue standing there silently while everyone else is singing pop songs disguised as hymns.
And, somehow, I don't think this is what Pope Benedict had in mind.
"Amazing Grace! How sweet the sound That saved a wretch like me!
Catholicism does not teach that we are "wretches." In my youth when we would sing this we would not say this part, substituting "that saved and set me free."
"Wretch" is shorthand for Calvin's "total depravity" doctrine. Catholicism teaches that we are damaged by Original Sin, but not "totally depraved."
SD
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Those wretched Calvinists. Nothing but trouble. :)
I think that is hymn #666 from the "We Worship Ourselves Hymnal."
Thanks alot. It isn't bad enough that we have to hear this almost every Sunday. Now we get to listen to it at FR!
"idn't realize there was a doicesan/archdiocesan committee that helped to pick the approved hymns. Why do we have the ugly OCP books then?"
When our diocese gets this commitee, who do you think will be on it?
The archbishop and the diocesan liturgy director are both on OCP's board of directors right now.
I can see such a commitee simply saying "the approved hymns are those in the OCP song books".
I don't trust our archbishop to do otherwise. Look at his liberal track record.
One more: how about nixing the "let's hold hands during the Lord's Prayer?" What's so Christian about holding hands with a runny-nosed kid, and no access to the washroom for another 20 minutes?
Sure it does. What do you think "original sin" IS?? And we are also "wretched" if, after confirmation, we fall back into sin (and we ALL do) until we repent and confess. I know when "I'm" in such a state, I feel pretty "wretched" until I go to Confession. Nothing contradictory to Catholic doctrine at all.
""Wretch" is shorthand for Calvin's "total depravity" doctrine. Catholicism teaches that we are damaged by Original Sin, but not "totally depraved.""
Sorry. Bogus argument. Read the actual words in the lyrics---NOT what you imagine to be there.
Our priest actually told us a couple of years back to cease holding hands. Some of the old timers refuse to listen though. It's just a silly AmChurch habit that is not in the GIRM.
Just fold your hands or hold your rosary with both hands and don't put your hands out.
If anyone should say anything just answer that the gesture (holding hands) was not approved in the GIRM.
So is this forecasting the end of "Here I am Lord" and other tripe by the partnered-up Jesuit, Dan Schutte?
SD
You are not obligated to hold hands during the Lord's prayer. There is no prescribed position for the hands during the Lord's prayer. However, a priest (or other members of the Parish) would be in violation of Canon law for mandating it (it would then be an introduction of a rite by an unauthorized person).
see: http://www.ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/zlitur10.htm
There are good arguments against it as well (we are not really unified as a community until AFTER communion, but holding hands implies unity before communion). I generally do not participate in hand holding, except with my wife (since we are of one flesh in te eyes of the church).
"So is this forecasting the end of "Here I am Lord" and other tripe by the partnered-up Jesuit, Dan Schutte?"
Don't believe it.
Follow the money. Go to OCP website (ocp.org) and look at the number of folks including Schutte and his ilk on the OCP payroll.
You might also ask your pastor how much he pays each year for OCP materials, assuming yours is one of the 2/3rds which use their materials.
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