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To: GSlob

Historical fact that Peter ever went to Rome is missing. Show me any evidence that Peter was ever in Rome and I might reconsider my basic protestant argument. After many hundreds of years, Rome has yet to give any “proof” that Peter ever set foot in Rome.


5 posted on 10/27/2006 8:40:29 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019
The tract "Was Peter in Rome?" is mentioned in #3. The bulk of it deals with the indirect evidence of early Christian writing, in itself formidable. This part deals with the archaeological evidence:
What Archaeology Proved

There is much archaeological evidence that Peter was at Rome, but Boettner, like other Fundamentalist apologists, must dismiss it, claiming that “exhaustive research by archaeologists has been made down through the centuries to find some inscription in the catacombs and other ruins of ancient places in Rome that would indicate Peter at least visited Rome. But the only things found which gave any promise at all were some bones of uncertain origin” (118).

Boettner saw Roman Catholicism through the presses in 1962. His original book and the revisions to it since then have failed to mention the results of the excavations under the high altar of St. Peter’s Basilica, excavations that had been underway for decades, but which were undertaken in earnest after World War II. What Boettner casually dismissed as “some bones of uncertain origin” were the contents of a tomb on Vatican Hill that was covered with early inscriptions attesting to the fact that Peter’s remains were inside.

After the original release of Boettner’s book, evidence had mounted to the point that Pope Paul VI was able to announce officially something that had been discussed in archaeological literature and religious publications for years: that the actual tomb of the first pope had been identified conclusively, that his remains were apparently present, and that in the vicinity of his tomb were inscriptions identifying the place as Peter’s burial site, meaning early Christians knew that the prince of the apostles was there. The story of how all this was determined, with scientific accuracy, is too long to recount here. It is discussed in detail in John Evangelist Walsh’s book, The Bones of St. Peter. It is enough to say that the historical and scientific evidence is such that no one willing to look at the facts objectively can doubt that Peter was in Rome. To deny that fact is to let prejudice override reason.

Was Peter in Rome?
8 posted on 10/27/2006 8:52:27 PM PDT by annalex
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To: doc1019
Another consideration is in the same "Was Peter in Rome?" article. It simply should not matter if Peter or a successor of his went to Rome.
At first glance, it might seem that the question, of whether Peter went to Rome and died there, is inconsequential. And in a way it is. After all, his being in Rome would not itself prove the existence of the papacy. In fact, it would be a false inference to say he must have been the first pope since he was in Rome and later popes ruled from Rome. With that logic, Paul would have been the first pope, too, since he was an apostle and went to Rome.

On the other hand, if Peter never made it to the capital, he still could have been the first pope, since one of his successors could have been the first holder of that office to settle in Rome. After all, if the papacy exists, it was established by Christ during his lifetime, long before Peter is said to have reached Rome. There must have been a period of some years in which the papacy did not yet have its connection to Rome.

(Source: Ibid)

11 posted on 10/27/2006 8:56:37 PM PDT by annalex
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To: doc1019

Why, isn't Bernini's Cathedra Petri evidence enough, to say nothing of the whole cathedral around it? Whether he was there, or not, is irrelevant. Quite a lot of excellent art was specifically created on the assumption that he went there, and for that art we ought to be grateful.


17 posted on 10/27/2006 9:40:11 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: doc1019

You have the testimony of Ireneaus and Tertullian. Absent evidence to the contrary, that should be enough. Besides, this is as unexceptional as asserting that a Frenchman might go to live in Paris. Rome was a magnet drawing people from all over the world and had a large Jewish population.


25 posted on 10/27/2006 11:20:59 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: doc1019
Here's a good book that dispels many myths about the Papacy as written by Patrick Madrid, one of our greatest contemporary apologetics. He clearly dispels the myth that St. Peter never went to Rome.


42 posted on 10/28/2006 5:23:51 AM PDT by Theoden (Muslims who live by the sword shall die by mine!)
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To: doc1019

What,you want a photograph or a post card, willfull blindness and sophistry on your part, I can not correct.


74 posted on 10/28/2006 9:34:19 AM PDT by The Cuban
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To: doc1019
Historical fact that Peter ever went to Rome is missing.

We might add....Biblical fact as well!

626 posted on 11/05/2006 11:59:13 AM PST by Diego1618
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