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1 posted on 11/02/2006 12:44:08 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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May God send forth his light and his truth.

He does that continually. Dr. Hahn saw it ... that's why he became Catholic.

2 posted on 11/02/2006 12:45:47 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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GRPL Ping


3 posted on 11/02/2006 12:46:32 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Colossians 2:6)
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What sorts of people write autobiographies when they are healthy and well at 35? Generally there are three sorts: egotists, egomaniacs, and megalomaniacs. etc.

Your author should be ashamed of himself. Seriously. This is nothing more than a collection of insults directed at the person he disagrees with; it in no way addresses the content of the book or the review.

5 posted on 11/02/2006 12:50:43 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Boy you opened up a can of worms with this thread lol. Time to get the popcorn. For the record, Scott Hahn books and tapes were a major part of my conversion


6 posted on 11/02/2006 12:53:29 PM PST by catholicfreeper (Geaux Tigers SEC FOOTBALL ROCKS)
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1 Cor 10:12

In this case, post lux tenebras.

7 posted on 11/02/2006 12:54:14 PM PST by Frumanchu (Historical Revisionism: When you're tired of being on the losing side of history.)
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"As a result, Hahn now prays to Mary daily."

Sigh.

"The fact that he was denying the Christian doctrine of justification while being paid to teach it does not seem to bother him"

Reminds me of the joke about the country school teacher. When asked if the he beleived the world was flat or round , he said he could teach it either way.


17 posted on 11/02/2006 1:09:47 PM PST by Augustinian monk
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Good post.


19 posted on 11/02/2006 1:17:12 PM PST by fishtank
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Interesting. Does the author actually get around to anything substantive? Or is this just a hit piece on Scott Hahn? From what I can tell the author is majorly bummed out about the Hahns becoming Catholic, but he doesn't bother to address the reasons except to say that Hahn likes Thomas Aquinas (wow, that's really radical).

The author then plays the "superstition" card. And then seems to be comparing the Church to some gigantic evil kingdom filled with souls he likely believes are on the road to hell. It's just a poorly written rant.


20 posted on 11/02/2006 1:18:15 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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Kreeft calls the Hahns "stars" for only one reason: their noisy rejection of Christianity and conversion to Roman Catholicism. They have no other "achievement."

This junk is about five or ten years old, Alex. Dr. Hahn is today a professor of theology at Steubenville and an adjunct professor at a seminary in Pennsylvania. He also founded and runs the St. Paul Center for Biblical Theology (www.salvationhistory.com), which promotes Catholic Bible study and scholarship. He also has written a number of books, including a fantastic set of high school textbooks available through an Opus Dei publishing house (Midwest Theological Forum), the second volume of which, on Scripture, is one of the best one-volume books about the Bible available, bar none.

Do you want me to go on? "No other achievements?" Get real ...

21 posted on 11/02/2006 1:30:26 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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"As I left the presence of Pope John Paul II – the one anointed by my heavenly Father and eldest Brother to shepherd the covenant family of God on earth – I had a strong sense that God was saying, ‘Scott, the best is yet to come' " (172). Hahn does not explain this dark, oracular saying: Does it mean that he will be elected the first American pope? Appointed cardinal? Invited to Rome to join the Vatican lowerarchy? Named Grand Inquisitor? We are not told.

This is actually really funny ... in a sick sort of way.

25 posted on 11/02/2006 1:46:19 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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When otherwise decent and intelligent people. people who sincerely seek the Lord Jesus and His will, display such hatred, contempt and ignorance of their subject matter, one has to suspect demonic influence -- either direct or through various instruments, among which one might include the person's surrounding culture and so forth.

Then. one has to ask, what would the demons, what would their prince want most of all to fight by whatever means possible? Wouldn't it be the Truth, the truth of God's love, the truth of the instruments and efficacious signs of that love, the truth of the Body of Christ on earth, the truth of the reliable and salvific proclamation of the Love, that personified love, that incarnate love who became a slave that we might be free?

So I reckon that the unreasoning and visceral fear, hatred and despite I used to bear the Catholic Church was just the work of the devil trying to keep me from the Way. And so I reckon articles like this are confirmations of Hahn's choice and of mine, confirmations of what God chose in us and for us.

And, there's good news here for this writer: At two o'clock some sleepless morning, he will remember how excessive, how unfair, how unjustified -- when you get right down to it, how embarrassing! -- this article was, and maybe God will move anew in his heart. It is good to know that this man's love for the Lord is so fierce. [The force is strong in this one. ;) ] God is working with him, and we can rely on God to work it all out.

The Lord is good at ju-jitsu -- definitely a sensei. He uses our strengths. He will let us overbalance, and when we see we are falling, He will catch us.

The mystery of our religion is great, as Paul said to Timothy, and the Love of our Lord is wonderful.

27 posted on 11/02/2006 2:07:26 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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AM: Nice work. Through post #25: 14 Catholic responses. 8 Protestant posts (all but 1 are your very own) and 3 indeterminate.

No observable conversions to the "reformed" persuasion observed.

Note that I am just keeping score and not editorializing but do you think this thread was a good idea for the "reformed?"

You must love Marcus Grodi and his ministry.

28 posted on 11/02/2006 2:14:03 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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What a mean-spirited and un-Christian article. Scott Hahn's writing was intellectually important to me in my journey back to faith. He is an honest and caring man, and the quote below shows that the writer doesn't grasp that.

At the time I had no knowledge of Hahn's real theological views; I was naive enough to think that a Presbyterian minister actually believed Presbyterian doctrine, and Hahn dissembled well enough.

If you read the book, Hahn himself was so anti-Rome that he was horrified to be going in that direction. He nearly lost his marriage and all his friendships.

In terms of life changes, it is far easier for someone to leave Rome then someone to come to Rome.

32 posted on 11/02/2006 2:31:12 PM PST by technochick99 ( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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Some of the more conservative churches have been led astray by Reconstructionism, by religiously cooperative efforts in the anti-abortion movement,

Better that there be abortions than to cooperate with those diabolical Romanists!
41 posted on 11/02/2006 3:07:12 PM PST by irishjuggler
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I love Scott Hahn's books. We all have our own journeys and I find them interesting. He has a gift for reaching people with God's truth. Sounds like someone is jealous.


53 posted on 11/02/2006 3:31:43 PM PST by tioga
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Some facts on the writer and who he represents from the Catholic League.

http://www.catholicleague.org/research/trinity.htm


59 posted on 11/02/2006 4:08:34 PM PST by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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Hey Alex! You forgot to tag this thread "FOOD FIGHT!!!"

Lordy, Lordy!


60 posted on 11/02/2006 4:09:20 PM PST by Ottofire (Fire Tempers Steel)
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Wow - the person who wrote this seems to really have an axe to grind.


61 posted on 11/02/2006 4:28:31 PM PST by PatriotGirl827 ("Be not afraid, for I am with you always.")
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defected to Rome
seduced by Rome
Hahn's obsession is to convert Christians to Catholicism
conversion to Romanism
ritual cannibalism
Hahn, who by all accounts was an excellent student, could not defend the major principles of the Protestant Reformation.
Mary clinched the argument
absorbed by the Roman Catholic Church
unable to persuade them of the errors of Roman Catholicism
American "Protestantism" is mostly Roman Catholic already
preaching of the Gospel [...] is rarely heard in "Protestant" pulpits.
Only the grace of God can save us
I can't escape the feeling that the author is a bit nervous.
62 posted on 11/02/2006 4:33:06 PM PST by annalex
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Here are seven links to stories about or by Scott Hahn. In only one (this one) is Dr. Hahn portrayed as a lost soul. To the contrary, he is lifted up, even by websites from the Vatican.

I would encourage all of you to read the link about Scott Hahn's conversion story. Then you can judge with ALL the facts, rather than just half the facts as this story puts forth.

64 posted on 11/02/2006 4:40:46 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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