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To: Mad Dawg; ears_to_hear; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan
Yes, you "need" to know whom you have believed. And you cannot know this on your own in any way. The Holy Spirit must open your eyes and ears to the truth and give you a new heart with which to believe.

I haven't seen you rebut the Scriptures I posted; you just offer skepticism.

"...the great trials that your eyes saw, the signs, and those great wonders. But to this day the LORD has not given you a heart to understand or eyes to see or ears to hear. I have led you forty years in the wilderness. Your clothes have not worn out on you, and your sandals have not worn off your feet." -- Deuteronomy 29:3-5

"And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live." -- Deuteronomy 30:5-7

"...to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me." -- Acts 26:18

"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh." -- Ezekiel 36:26

"Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee." -- Psalm 65:4

"But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." -- Titus 3:4-7


266 posted on 11/03/2006 12:38:44 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I haven't seen you rebut the Scriptures I posted; you just offer skepticism.

And you haven't explained why you quoted half a verse out of Phillipians and you haven't given me the rest of the verse. There's more than Biblical illiteracy here; there's concealing evidence, which to me is a very grave matter indeed. Or perhaps there is some special method of exegesis which involves choosing the parts of a sentence which suit the propostiion you're defending, while failing to mention the part -- the main clause -- that says, "Work out your own salvation," (which, of course, I, as a Biblically illiterate Catholic, do not know).

What's wrong with skepticism -- with taking a look? Didn't somebody say "Come and see?" Bei8ng a Biblically illiterate Catholic I don't know who said that, but I do recall the invitation.

And the word skepto is about taking a look, seeing, examining. So I'm examining your propositions to see if there's anything there which will bear examination, and you get all huffy about it. Mind you, after suppressing part of Scripture to make your point, I can understnad the desire to do so, but I cannot condone it.

And I didn't know I was under any obligation to rebut the verse from Scripture that you cited. Is that a work I must do to be saved, or am I under some other compulsion? After all I'm still waiting for you to cite one sentence completely. Then we'll see. ANd there must be some explanation of moral expectation and requirement if works are not necessary to Salvation.

Yes, I'm aggressively holding your feet to the fire. You and your co-religionists come on-line and make some very insulting generalizations about me and my co-religionists and then claim you are doing so in the name of the full understanding of the God of Love. Seems to me you got some splainin' to do.

324 posted on 11/03/2006 5:01:53 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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