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To: ears_to_hear
Your posts would be a fascinating psychological study. The contortions you have to make in your latest attempt are astounding.

What signals the coming of the Kingdom of God? If Scott Hahn is correct, it would be Christ's sacrifice on the cross. This is the same offering shown to John in Revelation occurring in Heaven!

That vinegar was not the "fourth cup "and in his heart Scott knows this. ..or he is very deceived..That cup will be drunk at the marriage supper of the Lamb...

Bold statement. However, you can't back it up. Jesus was priest and passover sacrifice on the cross. He is also the one who is the lamb, standing as if slain in Revelation. The cup of consummation is the cup drunk by the priest (Jesus) at the consummation of the passover sacrifice (Jesus).

Scott's interpretation makes much more sense than yours.

And shame on Scott "it is finished "was the atonement ...The sacrifice was complete...there was no more that needed to be done...it was finished..

Shame on you for putting words in our Lord's mouth!

280 posted on 11/03/2006 1:14:22 PM PST by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: pgyanke
Scott's interpretation makes much more sense than yours.

Only if the word of God is in error ( but then most of his readers would not know that

Lets look one more time

The problem is that gospel account says something like this: after the third cup is drunk Jesus says, "I shall not drink again of the fruit of the vine until I am entering into the kingdom of God." And it says, "Then they sang the psalms." Every Jew who knows the liturgy would expect: and then they went ahead and said the grace and the blessing and had the fourth cup which climaxed and consummated the Passover. But no, the gospel account say they sang the psalms and went out into the night.

For Scott's doctrine to work out the way he wants it he had to change that word..one word that changes the entire meaning of the verse and if read correctly slays his whole theory

Correct readings

Mat 26:29   But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Luk 22:18For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Now Scott contends the drinking of the wine from the sponge was the fourth cup..to have that "work? you have to mis quote the scripture and make it "ENTERING" as Jesus is still alive

Whereas you can see the actual text says He will not drink it untill he had ENTERED into HIS kingdom..Past tense...

Now I have quoted the KJV here are others

Luke 22:18 :: New International Version (NIV)
Luke 22 18For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."

Luke 22:18 :: New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Luke 22 18   for (1) I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes."

Luke 22:18 :: American Standard Version (ASV)
Luke 22 18 for I say unto you, I shall not drink from henceforth of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.


Luke 22:18 :: Young's Literal Translation
Luke 22 18   for I say to you that I may not drink of the produce of the vine till the reign of God may come.'

Douay-Rheims
Luke 18 For I say to you, that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, till the kingdom of God come.

Now that one word changes Scotts whole premis..interesting what one word can do...The JW's changed one word and that made Michael Jesus....

Bold statement. However, you can't back it up. Jesus was priest and passover sacrifice on the cross. He is also the one who is the lamb, standing as if slain in Revelation. The cup of consummation is the cup drunk by the priest (Jesus) at the consummation of the passover sacrifice (Jesus).

Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

That vinegar was not the "fourth cup "and in his heart Scott knows this. ..or he is very deceived..That cup will be drunk at the marriage supper of the Lamb... Mat 22:2   The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

Rev 19:9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

That vinegar was not the "fourth cup "and in his heart Scott knows this. ..or he is very deceived..That cup will be drunk at the marriage supper of the Lamb...

Mat 22:2   The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

Rev 19:9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

And shame on Scott "it is finished "was the atonement ...The sacrifice was complete...there was no more that needed to be done...it was finished..

296 posted on 11/03/2006 2:21:36 PM PST by ears_to_hear ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see. ")
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