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To: ears_to_hear
"So then according to your theology Christ is unnecessary for salvation ?"

Sir, this is incorrect.

"No need for the great commission, all those apostles died in vain."

No. BTW, how do you know that most of the Apostles died for the faith?

But Catholics are saved by faith in their church alone"

Completely incorrect.

"No where does it say that men are saved through the church,

"Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her," (Ephesians 5:25)

Christ also speaks of the role in the Church as having authority in disputes:

"If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. (Matt 18:17)

Look at the context, the Church is not an anarchical conglomeration of individuals. If he refuses to listen get two or three witnesses. If he still refuses to two or three people, take him to the Church. Note this is the last appeal. Christ invested the Church with authority. Notice also that the Church is the final appeal on the dispute--if he does not listen to the Church, treat the person as a pagan or tax-collector.

Note also that God appoints the authority within the Church:

"And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongue (1Co 12:28)

Also, Scripture says the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, not each and every individual's interpretation or misinterpretation of Scripture.
299 posted on 11/03/2006 2:33:55 PM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your household will be saved.)
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To: InterestedQuestioner
Statements like this are how protestants know that Catholics are scripturally ignorant

Completely incorrect. "No where does it say that men are saved through the church,

"Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her," (Ephesians 5:25)

That says He gave his life for the church not that the church saves anyone . Please read what it says, not what you want it to say.

Christ also speaks of the role in the Church as having authority in disputes:
"If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. (Matt 18:17)

That does not speak to the men being saved through the church

"And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongue (1Co 12:28)

Out of curiosity do you see the roll of priest or pope listed in the new church?

Where does the Nt teach a continuing unbloody sacrifice?

Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

The NT church has no priesthood and no popes and no sacrifices as that typology has been fulfilled.

304 posted on 11/03/2006 2:53:30 PM PST by ears_to_hear ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see. ")
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