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The Real Trinity
November 9, 2006 | Brion James

Posted on 11/09/2006 8:44:45 AM PST by policyforever867

The Holy Trinity


TOPICS: Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; trinity
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To: kerryusama04
If you believe in two Gods, then what distinguish one from the other? In other words, if they differed in no respect, they would be one, not two. So, in what respect do they differ?

-A8

81 posted on 11/16/2006 9:19:12 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: jkl1122
The "man of God" refers to one who has obeyed the Gospel of Christ.

So, who is the one who has "obeyed the Gospel of Christ"?

-A8

82 posted on 11/16/2006 9:20:05 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

It is one who believes, repents of their sins, confesses that Christ is the Son of God, and is immersed for the remission of their sins.


83 posted on 11/16/2006 9:22:20 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122
It is one who believes, repents of their sins, confesses that Christ is the Son of God, and is immersed for the remission of their sins.

So those Christians who sprinkle (but don't immerse), are not "men of God"?

-A8

84 posted on 11/16/2006 9:33:20 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

The only authorized mode of baptism is immersion.


85 posted on 11/16/2006 9:40:16 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122
What is ironic here, is that we are talking about 'sola scriptura', and you are using a criterion (i.e. immersion) that is not specified in Scripture. Unbelievable.

-A8

86 posted on 11/16/2006 9:44:03 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

Immersion is absolutely specified in scripture. The Greek word that is transliterated as baptism means immersion. There are specific Greek words for sprinkling and pouring, and they are not used in reference to water baptism in the New Testament.


87 posted on 11/16/2006 9:46:45 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122
Your crucial added word, "everything," changes the meaning of the quote by excluding the testimony of oral teaching (apostolic preaching.)

I can't explain it any better than John Henry Newman in his 1884 essay Inspiration in its Relation to Revelation "It is quite evident that this passage furnishes no argument whatever that the sacred Scripture, without Tradition, is the sole rule of faith; for, although sacred Scripture is 'profitable' for these four ends, still it is not said to be 'sufficient.' The Apostle [Paul] requires the aid of Tradition."

It also doesn't fit in with the meaning of 2 Thessalonians 2:15 "So then, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye were taught, whether by word, or by epistle of ours"

It is true that without Scripture a man will not be "thoroughly equipped" --- the Scripture is necessary, but not sufficient. It is also true that without the apostolic preaching he will not be "thoroughly equipped," without the inspiration of thre Holy Spirit he will not be "thoroughly equipped," and without the interpretive authority of the Church, he will not be "fully equipped."

2 Peter 3: 15-16 Regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you; as also in all of his letters, speaking in them of these things. In those, there are some things that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unsettled twist, as they also do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Obviously you think that I need your interpretive authority; I don't seem to be "fully equipped" to understand these Scriptures on my own, do I? (You must agree that this is true!) If that is the case, why should I prefer your interpretive authority to that of the Church?

88 posted on 11/16/2006 9:51:04 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the Living God, the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth." 1 Timothy 3:15)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I never said you needed me to interpret anything. You are the one saying that one needs the Catholic church in order to correctly interpret Scripture. I disagree with that.


89 posted on 11/16/2006 9:54:05 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122; adiaireton8

Have you ever read the Didache? It was written around the year 90 AD and contains some of the the earliest Christian instructions.

Here is the chapter on Baptism:

Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism. And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.


http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html


90 posted on 11/16/2006 10:01:19 AM PST by Nihil Obstat (viva il papa - be not afraid)
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To: jkl1122
No, you said my interpretation of Scripture isn't correct. Right?

Therefore I need someone to help me interpret it, right? That follows logically.

You're evidently posting these messages to help me interpret things correctly. Right? Acknowledging my own limitations, I ask: who should I go to for the correct interpretation of Scripture?


91 posted on 11/16/2006 10:02:19 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the Living God, the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth." 1 Timothy 3:15)
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To: adiaireton8

One was resurrected the other did the resurrecting, of course.


92 posted on 11/16/2006 10:28:58 AM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: kerryusama04
So, what made them two instead of one before the resurrection?

-A8

93 posted on 11/16/2006 10:32:09 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

Genesis 1:1, of course. I assume you read my first post on the thread, no?


94 posted on 11/16/2006 10:36:14 AM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: kerryusama04
A verse in the Bible made them two beings? That doesn't make sense to me. Yes, I read your first post in the thread. But orthodox Christians have never understood that verse to be teaching polytheism (which you seem to be advocating). Rather, they see this as at most, an early indication of the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity expressed in the Creeds, namely One God in three Persons.

-A8

95 posted on 11/16/2006 10:40:38 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Nihil Obstat

This disagrees with the clear teaching of the Bible.


96 posted on 11/16/2006 10:48:14 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: adiaireton8

The verse says what it says, man. Orthodox Christians? Did you change churches again? The Bible mentions nothing of the man-made doctrine of the trinity. The trinity is unorthodox.


97 posted on 11/16/2006 11:02:29 AM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: policyforever867
Jesus himself says that the Father sent Him, he never says that I am the Father and the Father is Me

John 14: 9-11 "9Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me"

98 posted on 11/16/2006 11:05:35 AM PST by Jim Noble (To preserve the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity)
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To: kerryusama04
The Bible mentions nothing of the man-made doctrine of the trinity.

We must deal with this false premise with which you are working: "sola scriptura". The Bible never teaches "sola scriptura".

-A8

99 posted on 11/16/2006 11:08:07 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: kerryusama04
You still have not answered the question: What is it that *makes* them two instead of one? Is one greater than the other? Is one better than the other? Does one know more than the other? Was one created by the other? If nothing distinguishes them from each other, then they are one, not two.

-A8

100 posted on 11/16/2006 11:09:57 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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