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To: kerryusama04
Then what value do you put on scripture?

I don't *put* any value on Scripture. It already *has* value, being the Word of God.

Why do you comment on scripture?

Because it is worth commenting on.

At any rate, thank you for further reinforcing that the doctrine of the trinity is yet another creation of the church at Rome.

Creation is too strong a word. All the truths of orthodoxy are received, determined, preserved, and put forward by the Catholic Church. But the Church does not "create" dogma.

Is Augustine your God?

No. He is a creature. But he is a great saint, one of the doctors of the Church, and well worth listening to. If you haven't read him, I recommend starting with his Confessions.

Is the church at Rome your God?

Yes and no. 'No', in the sense that mere human beings are creatures, and creatures are not God. But 'yes', in a sense, for the Church is the Body of Christ, and Christ is God. So there is a real sense in which our service to the Church is our service to Christ.

What is the end game of such a maleable faith as this that changes with the passing of each pontiff?

First, this is no game. This is reality, and the stakes are eternity. But second, if you think that the Catholic faith is so maleable, feel free to name one dogma that the Church has changed.

-A8

105 posted on 11/16/2006 3:19:43 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8
I don't *put* any value on Scripture. It already *has* value, being the Word of God.

I'm starting to think you purposely misinterpret my responses. Just exactly what value is scripture to you? What is the standard with which you judge doctrine to be sound?

Because it is worth commenting on.

But if it isn't the final arbiter, what is the point? If the Word of God is not the gold standard, why bother? Why not just post excerpts from the Catechism?

Creation is too strong a word. All the truths of orthodoxy are received, determined, preserved, and put forward by the Catholic Church. But the Church does not "create" dogma.

In what year was Mary deemed to have ascended?

First, this is no game. This is reality, and the stakes are eternity.

By "end game", I meant result and I am sure you knew that.

But second, if you think that the Catholic faith is so maleable, feel free to name one dogma that the Church has changed.

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"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." Cardinal Gibbons (for many years head of the Catholic Church in America), The Faith of Our Fathers (92d ed., rev.; Baltimore: John Murphy Company), p.89.

106 posted on 11/16/2006 5:03:44 PM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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