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To: kerryusama04
My questioning about the value of scripture was obscured by the respondents, not me. None of these respondents will answer the question, so I re-worded it. Still nothing.

I don't understand your question about the value of Scripture, in part because I don't know what kind of answer you are looking for. I already told you that Scriptural is "immensely valuable", but you didn't like that. Do you want a number between 1 and 10? A dollar amount?

Until A8 or Campion tell me what the basis of their faith is,

I already told you in #102.

-A8

135 posted on 11/17/2006 12:38:13 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8
I don't understand your question about the value of Scripture, in part because I don't know what kind of answer you are looking for. I already told you that Scriptural is "immensely valuable", but you didn't like that. Do you want a number between 1 and 10? A dollar amount?

From 102 - I don't have to, because I do not hold to 'sola scriptura'.

As St. Augustine said, "For my part, I would not believe the Gospel except on the authority of the Catholic Church."

Are you saying the authority of the church at Rome trumps the Word of God? Because here you say they are equal:

From 109 - You are viewing the three-fold authority (Magisterium, Scripture, Tradition) as if they are necessarily *hierarchically* related. But they are not hierarchically related. They are three equal authorities, but each in a different mode that complements the other two.

And here you say scripture is the Word of God:

From 105 - I don't *put* any value on Scripture. It already *has* value, being the Word of God.

But the word of God says the 7th day is the Sabbath, and Rome abolished that and moved it to the first day without a shred of scripture to base it upon. So does the church at Rome trump scripture, thus trumping the Word of God?

It was never a dogma of the Church that Sunday was not to be sanctified, or that some day instead of Sunday was to be sanctified. So the claim about Sunday worship is not an instance of the Church changing a dogma.

This is precisely my point. The church at Rome did not have primacy for hundreds of years after the close of scipture. Jesus, the author of the Law, sanctifies the Sabbath, but Rome sanctifies Sunday in direct contradiction of the Law of God. So, if you believe that Rome has this power, then it simply does not matter if the doctrine of the trinity is scriptural or not.

138 posted on 11/17/2006 12:58:20 PM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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