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The Mass of Saint Pius V: The French Bishops Raise a Shout with the Pope
L'espresso ^ | 11/13/2006 | Sandro Magister

Posted on 11/13/2006 6:55:16 AM PST by Pyro7480

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Very interesting article, and summary of the recent events concerning the pre-Vatican II Mass.
1 posted on 11/13/2006 6:55:19 AM PST by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; Desdemona; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 11/13/2006 6:57:56 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Pyro7480
< sigh >

More speculation, more prognostication, more attempts at telepathy.

Here's hoping that you're able to offer your first Mass according to the Missal of Pope Pius V (if you wish to do so).

3 posted on 11/13/2006 7:26:28 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480
Check this out:

French poll shows support for traditional Mass

The bishops say "Non, non.....".

The people say "Oui, oui.........."

Too funny.

4 posted on 11/13/2006 7:39:51 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: Pyro7480

Bump!


5 posted on 11/13/2006 8:09:30 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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6 posted on 11/13/2006 8:16:15 AM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: Pyro7480

my question is why does anyone care what the
French think?


7 posted on 11/13/2006 8:18:32 AM PST by JustMytwocents70
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To: Pyro7480; Salvation

Is anyone else here watching the USCCB Conference? Among other things, they are considering approval of an infamous statement on the Iraq War.


8 posted on 11/13/2006 8:26:07 AM PST by LisaFab
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my question is why does anyone care what the French think?

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They're Catholics, and this is religion, not politics. :)

9 posted on 11/13/2006 8:27:24 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: marshmallow

If they simply went by Mass attendence in France the ouis would have it.


10 posted on 11/13/2006 8:27:46 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Rushbot, AnnDroid, Steynaholic, any questions.)
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To: LisaFab

Is it on EWTN?


11 posted on 11/13/2006 8:28:57 AM PST by Salvation (With God all things are possible.;)
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To: LisaFab

bump for later


12 posted on 11/13/2006 8:29:27 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: trisham
They're Catholics, and this is religion, not politics. :)

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Well thats true but it seems the French take delight in apposing everything eveybody else wants.

13 posted on 11/13/2006 8:33:48 AM PST by JustMytwocents70
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Is it on EWTN?

Yep, have it dialed in.

14 posted on 11/13/2006 8:35:44 AM PST by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles..." Fr. A. Saenz)
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To: LisaFab
Is anyone else here watching the USCCB Conference?

If you are watching it, I hope you offered it up!

15 posted on 11/13/2006 8:36:55 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Pyro7480

I am actually probably more in the "reform of the reform" camp myself today (who knows what tomorrow will bring?), but one question that strikes me about the French bishops' objections to the TLM is this: are they trying to set policy for the whole Church on this, or just for France? If the former then I will be plenty unhappy, because it would not be necessary for the "unity" that the TLM opponents keep talking about (remember the "Agatha Christie Indult" in England and Wales, for example, or the fifty or so different options for celebrating the normative (Pauline) Mass, or the different applications of norms such as married clergy in the Byzantine Catholic Church in the US as opposed to the old countries? Not to mention you should look at the USCCB site and search for "unity of rite"--you will be interested by what you find), and so would be just a case of one set of folks imposing their will on the rest of us. If the latter, well, too bad for the Frecnh faithful who might be brought closer to God by means of the TLM than the current liturgy, but as an American, I guess I could live with that situation.


16 posted on 11/13/2006 8:37:22 AM PST by Theophane
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To: JustMytwocents70
Well thats true but it seems the French take delight in apposing everything eveybody else wants.

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But of course. That's the very definition of "French".

Main Entry: 1French

Pronunciation: 'french

Function: adjective

Etymology: Middle English, from Old English frencisc, from Franca Frank

1 : of, relating to, or characteristic of France, its people, or their language

2 : of or relating to the overseas descendants of the French people

3 :A people whose major characteristic is the opposition to every other people and country.

See "annoying".

- French·ness noun

17 posted on 11/13/2006 8:47:05 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: LisaFab

I just wasted a weekend at an ArchDiocesean Pastoral Assmebly. You would have thought that the single greatest threat to the Church was enforcing immigration laws. Followed closely to our presence in Iraq. Not a word about Catholic suffering through out the world, but lots of snide comments and misrepresentations of issues I am informed on.


18 posted on 11/13/2006 8:51:22 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Good heavens! What women these Christians have-----Libanus)
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To: Pyro7480

St. Jean-Baptiste-Marie Vianney, Cure d'Ars pray for us, pray for the Bishops of France and the reconversion of France and Europe.


19 posted on 11/13/2006 9:31:37 AM PST by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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>>>>>>St. Jean-Baptiste-Marie Vianney, Cure d'Ars pray for us, pray for the Bishops of France and the reconversion of France and Europe.

Amen!

20 posted on 11/13/2006 10:19:55 AM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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