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To: HarleyD; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg
"Jesus loves us, this we know"
"For the magisterium tells me so"

Seriously, I have more respect for RCs who tell me I'm a heretic than this watered down stuff. At least the hardcore RCs don't mince words.

11 posted on 11/21/2006 5:04:58 AM PST by Gamecock (Pelagianism is the natural heresy of zealous Christians who are not interested in theology. J.I.P.)
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To: Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg
Seriously, I have more respect for RCs who tell me I'm a heretic than this watered down stuff. At least the hardcore RCs don't mince words.

Absolutely. Give me a good ol' Vatican I Catholic any day over the milk toast Vatican II Catholic. :O)

12 posted on 11/21/2006 5:14:32 AM PST by HarleyD (Mat 19:11 "But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.)
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To: Gamecock; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg

And now the bad news: heretics can't read the bible. Kind of makes prooftexting obsolete, since what, the 3rd century?

Ask Tertullian: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0311.htm

CHAPTER 15
Heretics not to be allowed to argue out of the Scriptures. The Scriptures, in fact, do not belong to them.

We are therefore come to (the gist of) our position; for at this point we were aiming, and for this we were preparing in the preamble of our address (which we have just completed),--so that we may now join issue on the contention to which our adversaries challenge us. They put forward the Scriptures, and by this insolence of theirs they at once influence some. In the encounter itself, however, they weary the strong, they catch the weak, and dismiss waverers with a doubt. Accordingly, we oppose to them this step above ,all others, of not admitting them to any discussion of the Scriptures.

If in these lie their resources, before they can use them, it ought to be clearly seen to whom belongs the possession of the Scriptures, that none may be admitted to the use thereof who has no title at all to the privilege.


15 posted on 11/21/2006 9:24:42 AM PST by WriteOn (Truth)
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