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"Stop the presses. So it was not the Father demanding sacrifice after all?"

I don't know what you mean by that statement. Sin demands a sacrifice; love provided it in Jesus. As far as believers are concerned Jesus said, (Jhn 16:33) These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." Paul said, (Phl 1:29) "For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;" Martyrdom is part of the plan.

"Then we have your folk who (1) arrogate sainthood to themselves (2) insist on doing nothing to attain holiness (3) riducule the true saints who gave you Christianity as a bunch of dead people. So much for your witness."

We don't "arrogate" sainthood, Paul, the writer of Hebrews, Jude and John all call all believers saints. What's the problem?

We can't do anything to "attain" holiness. God did that for us in Christ, (Col 1:22) "In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:" He tells us to become what we already are in Jesus, but that is not "attaining" but living out what we already are.

I haven't seen anyone here ridiculing God or the Apostles. What I have seen is a realistic portrayal, according to the scriptures, of the men Jesus called to be with Him.

We can't do anything to "attain" holiness. God did that for us in Christ, (Col 1:22) "In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:" He tells us to become what we already are in Jesus, but that is not "attaining" but living out what we already are.

AMEN!

This is kinda fun posting amongst only myself late at night. Nobody argues with me. 8~)

Sin demands a sacrifice; love provided it in Jesus

No problem here. The problem is with God the Father demanding sacrifice. I was assuming you were of the opinion that He did, hence my hilarity.

We don't "arrogate" sainthood

I know Paul and others used the word differently, but the historical usage was to canonize those whose life were an exceptional example of holiness, witnessed by miracles, and call saints them and only them.

We can't do anything to "attain" holiness.

Sure we can. Through Jesus, of course, but here is the program; it has a beginning and an end, and "you shall not sin at any time" comes in the end:

3 As all things of his divine power which appertain to life and godliness, are given us, through the knowledge of him who hath called us by his own proper glory and virtue. 4 By whom he hath given us most great and precious promises: that by these you may be made partakers of the divine nature: flying the corruption of that concupiscence which is in the world. 5 And you, employing all care, minister in your faith, virtue; and in virtue, knowledge; 6 And in knowledge, abstinence; and in abstinence, patience; and in patience, godliness; 7 And in godliness, love of brotherhood; and in love of brotherhood, charity. 8 For if these things be with you and abound, they will make you to be neither empty nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he that hath not these things with him, is blind, and groping, having forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10 Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time.
(2 Peter 1))

I haven't seen anyone here ridiculing God or the Apostles

No, not Christ or Apostles, but the saints, presumably including the martyrs of the Church were dismissed as dead people not deserving of or not caring for our company.