[Dr. Eckleburg]

When Mary was begotten by her father and mother, she was brought into existence with a whole, intact, normal, healthy, undamaged human nature.

Then obviously we disagree over what constitutes "human nautre." In my understanding of Scripture, all men are sinners and in need of a Savior.

And in my reading of Scripture, I find no mention of Mary or anyone but Christ being assumed bodily into heaven.

Both a sinless nature and a bodily assumption into heaven are strictly reserved for Jesus Christ, one person of the holy Trinity.

I don't see anywhere in Scripture Mary entering into that Trinity.

[adiaireton8]

Do you think that Adam and Eve were less than human or not fully human until they sinned?

-A8

[Campion]

Both a sinless nature and a bodily assumption into heaven are strictly reserved for Jesus Christ, one person of the holy Trinity.

So you believe that the saints in heaven continue to sin, and you deny the resurrection of the dead?

And in my reading of Scripture, I find no mention of Mary or anyone but Christ being assumed bodily into heaven.

Enoch and Elijah. And Christ wasn't "assumed," but ascended under his own power.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Obviously we disagree over what constitutes "human nature." In my understanding of Scripture, all men are sinners and in need of a Savior."

We agree on this key fact: that Mary, too, needed a Savior. "My spirit rejoices in God my Savior." But regarding a person falling into a pit, there are two ways to save them: (1) by pulling them out of the pit, or (2) by intervening to prevent them falling into the pit.

Human nature is transmitted when human life is transmitted: that is, whenever a child is conceived, he inherits his human nature from his parents. If Jesus was really Man, and really the Son of Man, then He had a parent, a mother, who was his true human progenitor, and not just packaging material. He received Mary's human nature--- received it from her alone, since He had but one human parent.

Realize, please, that God didn't do any more for Mary at the beginning of her life, than He did for Eve at the beginning of hers: He made her without inherited defect. If God hadn't intervened, protecting Mary's human nature from being damaged at the outset, he would have provided His Son with a defective mother: a mother who transmitted to her Divine Child a defective human nature.

Any Christian would have to believe that Mary was at least equal to Eve ((this is an important point: please tell me if you don't believe this!)(and even more favored than Eve, wouldn't we assume?) Because the Angel greeted Mary with the unprecedented title, "most highly favored daughter" or "Full of Grace" (Latin, Gratia Plena.)

If you believe that, you have to believe she was more highly favored than Eve, wouldn't you? It was Mary, not Eve, that Scripture says was "most highly favored," "blessed among woman" and that "all generations" would call her blessed.

But those who say that when Mary was conceived, she was marred with the foul stain of sin, are saying she was catastrophically less favored than Eve.