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To: EarthBound
If we do not have original sin, then we could, by rightly choosing at every moment not to sin over the course of our entire life, save ourselves. That was precisely what Pelagius believed. His denial of original sin opened the way for the possibility of humans saving themselves. Since you, like Pelagius, deny that humans are now born with original sin, you too are opening up the possibility that humans could, if they made all the right choices over the course of their life, save themselves.

In the sense that we die because of Adam and Eve's trespass, then that death is our wage for his sin, but then so is the multiplication of our woes.

I don't understand that sentence.

-A8

285 posted on 12/11/2006 1:19:35 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8
If we do not have original sin, then we could, by rightly choosing at every moment not to sin over the course of our entire life, save ourselves. That was precisely what Pelagius believed. His denial of original sin opened the way for the possibility of humans saving themselves. Since you, like Pelagius, deny that humans are now born with original sin, you too are opening up the possibility that humans could, if they made all the right choices over the course of their life, save themselves.

I could see how that could be an issue. I don't believe humans save themselves, but I don't believe we are born with original sin. I'll have to think on that.

In the sense that we die because of Adam and Eve's trespass, then that death is our wage for his sin, but then so is the multiplication of our woes. I don't understand that sentence.

And I don't blame you as it was poorly worded. I mean to say that death and having families (to multiply the woe) is punishment for the Fall. Obviously if not, then Cain would've lived forever.

292 posted on 12/11/2006 1:26:01 PM PST by EarthBound (Ex Deo, gratia. Ex astris, scientia)
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