Skip to comments.The Story of Guadalupe: Hope for Our Violent World
Posted on 12/12/2006 10:30:49 AM PST by Salvation
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**The eyes of Our Lady of Guadalupe are looking down with humility and compassion. This was a sign to the native people that she was not a god since in their iconography the gods stare straight ahead with their eyes wide open.**
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Could you please fix the title line to this. Guess I just missed copying a few letters. LOL!
Thanks in advance for your service.
Thanks for posting this, I was wondering about the image itself, after reading the thread about the scientific work done on it. I wasn't clear if the image with all the artwork is what miraculously appeared.
It seems it was, which is just amazing! Much more than a blurry image on a piece of toast or something.
I know that many will find this shocking (NOT !!), but the San Francisco Chronicle has an exact opposite view of this movie. It says in this 12/11/06 article (via an "expert" they interviewed) that Gibson was 100% wrong in his depiction of the ancient Maya culture (even stating that there is no evidence that the sheer number of human sacrifices portrayed by Gibson ever took place). The author also makes sure he gets in some "subtle" digs against Gibson and Christianity, as well a snide comment about "The Passion of the Christ". Either way, get out your barf bags, and read what "the other side" is saying:
I love the story of our Lady of Guadalupe.
Most of the people on the committee are not Hispanic, but Anglo. A lot of people don't know that she is the patroness of ALL of the Americas.
My daughter's second grade class is putting on a pagent tonight at church for Our Lady of Guadalupe. The kids are all excited about it. And there are very few hispanics in their school, I would say 98% anglo.
My cup overflows. What a wonderful Mother.
There is so much amazing (and alarming) science on the Shroud and the Oviedo Cloth, I should very much like to be directed to comparable science on the cloak containing the image of Our Lady of Guadelupe. It looks to be impressive and persuasive. Anyone know of a link to the good science on it?
The Holy Land has been a real battleground between the Islamic peoples and Christianity over the centuries. Evidence of this are the numerous churches and basilicas that have been built by the Church, destroyed by, the Moslems, rebuilt by Catholic Crusaders, leveled again by the followers of Islam, and so on over the course of history. However, there is one remarkable exception: the Basilica of Saint Anne in Jerusalem.
The Crusaders built this church and named it in honor of the mother of the Blessed Virgin Mary. In the Crypt of St. Anne's Basilica, a statue of the Infant Mary is venerated on what is believed to be the exact spot where Our Lady was born. Their great reverence for Our Lady precluded the Moslems from destroying her birthplace. The foundation for Heaven's Peace Plan at Fatima, Portugal, can be found in the Land of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
As the Moslems swept through Spain in the 8th century, a great religious treasure was buried for safe-keeping in the earth, high in the Estremadura Mountains. It was a much venerated statue of Our Lady holding the Divine Child Jesus that was a gift of Pope Gregory the Great to Bishop Leander of Seville. After the overthrow of Moorish occupation, the image was uncovered in the year 1326, subsequent to a vision of Our Lady to a humble shepherd by the name of Gil. Our Lady's very special statue was enshrined in a nearby Franciscan Monastery next to the "Wolf River."
The Moslems, during their Spanish occupation, had actually named the river. The Islamic term for Wolf River is "Guadalupe" (Guada = River; Lupe = Wolf). Hence, the famous Catholic image in Spain has been known, since the 14th century, by the Islamic name of "Our Lady of Guadalupe."
In the fullness of time, we can be sure that Almighty God knew that the Islamic religion would pose a serious threat to Christianity. God also knew that the Spanish missionaries would face grave resistance in the "new world" from the mighty Aztec Indians. The Aztecs worshipped an evil stone "serpent god" that demanded human sacrifice. It was extremely difficult to win souls for Christ from these bloodthirsty savages. However, with God all things are possible. Our Lady appeared to a humble Aztec Indian convert by the name of Juan Diego in 1531. When asked her name by Juan Diego, at the request of the local bishop, Our Lady's response, in the Aztec language, included the words "te coatlaxopeuh" (pronounced: "te quatlasupe") and meant "one who crushes the head of the stone serpent."
To Juan Diego and his fellow Aztecs, this revelation had great meaning, coupled with the miraculous image of Our Lady standing on top of a "crescent," the symbol of this evil serpent god. A tidal wave of conversions to Catholicism ensued. However, Bishop Zumarraga, who was from Spain, made what was no doubt a "heavenly mistake" that one day may lead to the mass conversion of Moslems. To the Bishop's Spanish ears, Our Lady's Aztec name of "Te Quatlasupe" sounded just like the name of the revered Madonna from Spain with the Islamic name, "Guadalupe." Hence, the bishop named the Mexican Madonna "Our Lady of Guadalupe." It is interesting that the "crescent" is also the symbol for Islam and that America's Shrine to Our Lady has an Islamic name.
Battle of Lepanto
On October 7, 1571, a great victory over the mighty Turkish fleet was won by Catholic naval forces primarily from Spain, Venice, and Genoa under the command of Don Juan of Austria. It was the last battle at sea between "oared" ships, which featured the most powerful navy in the world, a Moslem force with between 12,000 to 15,000 Christian slaves as rowers. The patchwork team of Catholic ships was powered by the Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Knowing that the Christian forces were at a distinct material disadvantage, the holy pontiff, St. Pope Pius V called for all of Europe to pray the Rosary for victory. We know today that the victory was decisive, prevented the Islamic invasion of Europe, and evidenced the Hand of God working through Our Lady. At the hour of victory, St. Pope Pius V, who was hundreds of miles away at the Vatican, is said to have gotten up from a meeting, went over to a window, and exclaimed with supernatural radiance: "The Christian fleet is victorious!" and shed tears of thanksgiving to God.
What you may not know is that one of three admirals commanding the Catholic forces at Lepanto was Andrea Doria. He carried a small copy of Mexico's Our Lady of Guadalupe into battle. This image is now enshrined in the Church of San Stefano in Aveto, Italy. Not many know that at the Monastery of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Spain, one can view a huge warship lantern that was captured from the Moslems in the Battle of Lepanto. In Rome, look up to the ceiling of S. Maria in Aracoeli and behold decorations in gold taken from the Turkish galleys. In the Doges' Palace in Venice, Italy, one can witness a giant Islamic flag that is now a trophy from a vanquished Turkish ship from the Victory. At Saint Mary Major Basilica in Rome, close to the tomb of the great St. Pope Pius V, one was once able to view yet another Islamic flag from the Battle, until 1965, when it was returned to Istanbul in an intended friendly token of concord.
"It is my hope and prayer that Gibson's film will serve as a catalyst to reveal why Cortez needed to stop the practice of human sacrifice and bring knowledge of the True God to the indigenous people of Mexico. It may also serve as a wake-up call to our culture in which Satan has convinced many of our people that slaughtering their most innocent citizens in their mother's wombs is a basic human right."
I find it surprising that anyone who realizes the U.S. has been attacked, and is also under invasion by a Pro-life people, do not see the correlation. I call it the Manasseh Judgment. God told the Israelites they were being given the promised land because the people who originally lived there sacrificed their children, and if they did the same thing, they, too, would lose their land. Which of course, they did, and were dispersed by the people from Babylon, Iraq. God blesses pro-lifers, not nations that practice child sacrifice.
Great read in addition to daily readings. Thanks for posting.
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Such a beautiful story. Thanks for the ping.
And in Iran they are holding a conference saying that the Holocaust never happened!
What I find amazing is that the large numbers of Mexican converts almost equaled the number who turned away in the Reformation in Europe.
A truly remarkable, beautiful story, thanks for posting.
**It seems it was, which is just amazing!**
Our priest related several miracles connected with the tilma.
First, the material will disintegrate in a period of years -- don't know the exact reason, but it might be connected with some kind of plant fiber -- I really don't know. It's still there today!
They had lots of candles burning under it for a long time -- Our santuary light is below cloth that covers our speakers and the cloth has to be replaced every so often because of the soot stain. The tilma has not been damaged by soot.
The Communists, in an effort to wipe out the last bastion of Catholicity in Mexico, set off a bomb below the case that holds the tilma. A metal cross was bent backwards over 30 degrees and all the windows on the church were blown out, but the glass protecting the tilma image was not broken.
The building has a huge fire, and everything inside was damaged, but the case with the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe survived the fire. Whether that fire is connected with the bombing, I don't know. This last one was one that I had heard about. Our priest mentioned the others today.
I think I will choose not to believe the SF Chronicle.
(Can't fault them that badly, because an ad in the Chronicle brought our family out of California to Oregon! LOL!
Sounds wonderful. Carry on! You are such an inspiration!
**God blesses pro-lifers, not nations that practice child sacrifice.**
Glad to help.
You're welcome, friend.
Is this the first recorded appearance of Mary?
Bush v. Gore decided December 12th, 2000.
Hussein captured December 12th, 2003.
I think Our Lady of Guadalupe has been taking special care of us these last few years.
I hope she continues.
I agree. Thanks for reminding me!
Nope. There were definitely a few in the first millenium as well.
"I am on the committee for the SOlemn Mass of Our Lady of Guadalupe which will be held this evening at our large Midwestern church. We will have flags of the Americas, children dressed in native costumes, a procession, and a dinner. I have been over helping decorate the church.
Most of the people on the committee are not Hispanic, but Anglo. A lot of people don't know that she is the patroness of ALL of the Americas."
I am proud to have "met" you.
For a few years my husband got our priest to have a Holy Eucharist adoration from 9 p.m. on Dec. 8 to 1 a.m. on Dec. 9 for preborn babies.
It was pretty clear to me that this film is a metaphor for a decayed and dying USA which is rotting from within because it kills its children. Mel opens the film with the printed statement, No civilization is ever conquered from without unless it first decays from within" (something to that effect). This film also could be seen as a metaphor for a nation under attack by terroristic outside forces, and the only way to save ourselves is to be strong, as strong as we can be, because only we ourselves can protect our own family.
The characters are very appealing. Respect is shown to aged men and women. Even the villains, vile as they are, are portrayed with a degree of humanity.
Mel has included "religious" themed comments. When the captive Indians are marched away from their village, the youngest children are left behind as unneeded, left to fend for themselves. A woman captive looks back and prays aloud, apparently to their goddess, "Blessed Mother Ochotl, look after them and protect them."
In another scene, the bad guys begin to figure out that a lot of bad luck is coming their way because they've been hurting the hero, a young man named "Jaquar", and one prays to their god, "Father, forgive us for our trespasses against your holy son Jaguar".
This film is a story about a man trying to protect his family. It's very watchable. I had no problem at all following the subtitles.
My only criticism was an unnecessary use of the "f" word in the subtitles, in a phrase "he's f---ed" meaning "his goose is cooked". It got a cheap laugh and I guess Mel did it for his male audience.
Oh, my Goodness! I had forgotten those dates.
Thanks, Pyro. Wasn't sure of the answer -- I knew I had to look it up, but I was coming down where you are.
I lot of liberals are up here. Portland and Eugene areas. But everywhere else it is a red state. We are getting more Republicans in some of the larger cities, too it seems.
But it was good to be out of California! (And in my life story, it is good for me to be in the parish I am in!!)
Thanks for your personal review of the movie. I just may go see it now!
This sounds like a good vs. evil movie.
(but I'm not happy about the language, either)
Thanks, Ciexyz, for the review and ping.
Thanks for the post.
Are these well documented? IOW, is there an official list of the more prominent appearances?