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The Story of Guadalupe: Hope for Our Violent World
CatholicExchange.com ^ | 12-12-06 | Mark Armstrong

Posted on 12/12/2006 10:30:49 AM PST by Salvation

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**It is my hope and prayer that Gibson's film will serve as a catalyst to reveal why Cortez needed to stop the practice of human sacrifice and bring knowledge of the True God to the indigenous people of Mexico. It may also serve as a wake-up call to our culture in which Satan has convinced many of our people that slaughtering their most innocent citizens in their mother's wombs is a basic human right.**

Amen!

1 posted on 12/12/2006 10:30:53 AM PST by Salvation
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To: All

**The eyes of Our Lady of Guadalupe are looking down with humility and compassion. This was a sign to the native people that she was not a god since in their iconography the gods stare straight ahead with their eyes wide open.**


2 posted on 12/12/2006 10:32:18 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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3 posted on 12/12/2006 10:33:23 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Religion Moderator

Could you please fix the title line to this. Guess I just missed copying a few letters. LOL!

Thanks in advance for your service.


4 posted on 12/12/2006 10:39:34 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for posting this, I was wondering about the image itself, after reading the thread about the scientific work done on it. I wasn't clear if the image with all the artwork is what miraculously appeared.

It seems it was, which is just amazing! Much more than a blurry image on a piece of toast or something.


5 posted on 12/12/2006 10:49:51 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: cpforlife.org; Coleus

Pro-life thread?


6 posted on 12/12/2006 10:50:10 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Interesting.

I know that many will find this shocking (NOT !!), but the San Francisco Chronicle has an exact opposite view of this movie. It says in this 12/11/06 article (via an "expert" they interviewed) that Gibson was 100% wrong in his depiction of the ancient Maya culture (even stating that there is no evidence that the sheer number of human sacrifices portrayed by Gibson ever took place). The author also makes sure he gets in some "subtle" digs against Gibson and Christianity, as well a snide comment about "The Passion of the Christ". Either way, get out your barf bags, and read what "the other side" is saying:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/12/11/DDG5KMSDK51.DTL&hw=mel+gibson&sn=001&sc=1000


7 posted on 12/12/2006 10:53:50 AM PST by Zetman (I believe the children are the next generation.)
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To: Salvation

I love the story of our Lady of Guadalupe.


8 posted on 12/12/2006 10:56:52 AM PST by Sun (*MERRY CHRISTMAS!* And during this beautiful season, let's all pray for good to win over evil soon!)
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I am on the committee for the SOlemn Mass of Our Lady of Guadalupe which will be held this evening at our large Midwestern church. We will have flags of the Americas, children dressed in native costumes, a procession, and a dinner. I have been over helping decorate the church.

Most of the people on the committee are not Hispanic, but Anglo. A lot of people don't know that she is the patroness of ALL of the Americas.

9 posted on 12/12/2006 11:41:52 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
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To: Miss Marple

My daughter's second grade class is putting on a pagent tonight at church for Our Lady of Guadalupe. The kids are all excited about it. And there are very few hispanics in their school, I would say 98% anglo.


10 posted on 12/12/2006 11:46:36 AM PST by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: Salvation; Mad Dawg

Ping.

My cup overflows. What a wonderful Mother.


11 posted on 12/12/2006 12:00:19 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch (Am I not here who am your mother? Is there anything else that you need?)
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To: Salvation

There is so much amazing (and alarming) science on the Shroud and the Oviedo Cloth, I should very much like to be directed to comparable science on the cloak containing the image of Our Lady of Guadelupe. It looks to be impressive and persuasive. Anyone know of a link to the good science on it?


12 posted on 12/12/2006 12:50:27 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Salvation
The Holy Land

The Holy Land has been a real battleground between the Islamic peoples and Christianity over the centuries. Evidence of this are the numerous churches and basilicas that have been built by the Church, destroyed by, the Moslems, rebuilt by Catholic Crusaders, leveled again by the followers of Islam, and so on over the course of history. However, there is one remarkable exception: the Basilica of Saint Anne in Jerusalem.

The Crusaders built this church and named it in honor of the mother of the Blessed Virgin Mary. In the Crypt of St. Anne's Basilica, a statue of the Infant Mary is venerated on what is believed to be the exact spot where Our Lady was born. Their great reverence for Our Lady precluded the Moslems from destroying her birthplace. The foundation for Heaven's Peace Plan at Fatima, Portugal, can be found in the Land of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Spain

As the Moslems swept through Spain in the 8th century, a great religious treasure was buried for safe-keeping in the earth, high in the Estremadura Mountains. It was a much venerated statue of Our Lady holding the Divine Child Jesus that was a gift of Pope Gregory the Great to Bishop Leander of Seville. After the overthrow of Moorish occupation, the image was uncovered in the year 1326, subsequent to a vision of Our Lady to a humble shepherd by the name of Gil. Our Lady's very special statue was enshrined in a nearby Franciscan Monastery next to the "Wolf River."

The Moslems, during their Spanish occupation, had actually named the river. The Islamic term for Wolf River is "Guadalupe" (Guada = River; Lupe = Wolf). Hence, the famous Catholic image in Spain has been known, since the 14th century, by the Islamic name of "Our Lady of Guadalupe."

Mexico

In the fullness of time, we can be sure that Almighty God knew that the Islamic religion would pose a serious threat to Christianity. God also knew that the Spanish missionaries would face grave resistance in the "new world" from the mighty Aztec Indians. The Aztecs worshipped an evil stone "serpent god" that demanded human sacrifice. It was extremely difficult to win souls for Christ from these bloodthirsty savages. However, with God all things are possible. Our Lady appeared to a humble Aztec Indian convert by the name of Juan Diego in 1531. When asked her name by Juan Diego, at the request of the local bishop, Our Lady's response, in the Aztec language, included the words "te coatlaxopeuh" (pronounced: "te quatlasupe") and meant "one who crushes the head of the stone serpent."

To Juan Diego and his fellow Aztecs, this revelation had great meaning, coupled with the miraculous image of Our Lady standing on top of a "crescent," the symbol of this evil serpent god. A tidal wave of conversions to Catholicism ensued. However, Bishop Zumarraga, who was from Spain, made what was no doubt a "heavenly mistake" that one day may lead to the mass conversion of Moslems. To the Bishop's Spanish ears, Our Lady's Aztec name of "Te Quatlasupe" sounded just like the name of the revered Madonna from Spain with the Islamic name, "Guadalupe." Hence, the bishop named the Mexican Madonna "Our Lady of Guadalupe." It is interesting that the "crescent" is also the symbol for Islam and that America's Shrine to Our Lady has an Islamic name.

Battle of Lepanto

On October 7, 1571, a great victory over the mighty Turkish fleet was won by Catholic naval forces primarily from Spain, Venice, and Genoa under the command of Don Juan of Austria. It was the last battle at sea between "oared" ships, which featured the most powerful navy in the world, a Moslem force with between 12,000 to 15,000 Christian slaves as rowers. The patchwork team of Catholic ships was powered by the Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Knowing that the Christian forces were at a distinct material disadvantage, the holy pontiff, St. Pope Pius V called for all of Europe to pray the Rosary for victory. We know today that the victory was decisive, prevented the Islamic invasion of Europe, and evidenced the Hand of God working through Our Lady. At the hour of victory, St. Pope Pius V, who was hundreds of miles away at the Vatican, is said to have gotten up from a meeting, went over to a window, and exclaimed with supernatural radiance: "The Christian fleet is victorious!" and shed tears of thanksgiving to God.

What you may not know is that one of three admirals commanding the Catholic forces at Lepanto was Andrea Doria. He carried a small copy of Mexico's Our Lady of Guadalupe into battle. This image is now enshrined in the Church of San Stefano in Aveto, Italy. Not many know that at the Monastery of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Spain, one can view a huge warship lantern that was captured from the Moslems in the Battle of Lepanto. In Rome, look up to the ceiling of S. Maria in Aracoeli and behold decorations in gold taken from the Turkish galleys. In the Doges' Palace in Venice, Italy, one can witness a giant Islamic flag that is now a trophy from a vanquished Turkish ship from the Victory. At Saint Mary Major Basilica in Rome, close to the tomb of the great St. Pope Pius V, one was once able to view yet another Islamic flag from the Battle, until 1965, when it was returned to Istanbul in an intended friendly token of concord.

13 posted on 12/12/2006 1:10:07 PM PST by Nihil Obstat (viva il papa)
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"It is my hope and prayer that Gibson's film will serve as a catalyst to reveal why Cortez needed to stop the practice of human sacrifice and bring knowledge of the True God to the indigenous people of Mexico. It may also serve as a wake-up call to our culture in which Satan has convinced many of our people that slaughtering their most innocent citizens in their mother's wombs is a basic human right."

I find it surprising that anyone who realizes the U.S. has been attacked, and is also under invasion by a Pro-life people, do not see the correlation. I call it the Manasseh Judgment. God told the Israelites they were being given the promised land because the people who originally lived there sacrificed their children, and if they did the same thing, they, too, would lose their land. Which of course, they did, and were dispersed by the people from Babylon, Iraq. God blesses pro-lifers, not nations that practice child sacrifice.


14 posted on 12/12/2006 1:15:41 PM PST by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: Salvation

Great read in addition to daily readings. Thanks for posting.


15 posted on 12/12/2006 1:36:49 PM PST by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: Salvation; Coleus
Pro-life thread? Yep.

BTW, I went to Mass this AM at the nearby Benedictine Abbey/ Seminary (15min from home). A priest friend told me in advance that they celebrated the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe yesterday, on the 11th. He was almost apologizing but had to go and couldn't explain.

Y'all have any ideas?
16 posted on 12/12/2006 2:04:46 PM PST by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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17 posted on 12/12/2006 2:05:20 PM PST by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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Thats wonderful, Miss Marple.

My grandmother was a devotee of Our Lady of Guadalupe all of her life. At the age of 86 she died on this date, Dec 12, 1988. We all felt that Our Lady was indeed by her side when she passed.
18 posted on 12/12/2006 2:13:21 PM PST by BlueAngel
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To: huldah1776

The Truth is hard, but it's the truth.


19 posted on 12/12/2006 2:17:47 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: Salvation

Such a beautiful story. Thanks for the ping.


20 posted on 12/12/2006 2:36:29 PM PST by Texagirl4W (Jesus came to forgive sin, not to accept sin.)
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