Posted on 12/12/2006 10:51:32 PM PST by Coleus
That is not an example of Jesus commanding anyone to baptize people with the Holy Spirit.
Surrrreeee it isn't...
Let's see.
1. God confirmed to the Children of Israel which day the Sabbath was by withholding manna on that day. (they've not lost track of the day since)
2. People in pointy hats changed that day to Sunday.
I think I'll go with number one. :-)
Like I said, you wish.
I don't need to wish, thousands of Greek theologians who actually knew how to read Koine Greek have studied it in my church for 2000 years.
I don't need to use my arrogant 'sole right to interpret 3rd generation copies of scripture' card, because unlike protestants I have the word of the folks who were there from the start. The ones who spoke Greek, the ones who distributed Holy Scripture, the ones from the 5 ancient Sees the apostles themselves founded.
The only one with wishful thinking here is yourself.
You can wish you could understand the gospels in Koine Greek.
You can wish your 15th century or latter church of men had some link with the apostles.
But you can never interpret scripture to anything near the accuracy of the church fathers because you are in fact a person born far from where the church started, far after when it started, with a Bible translation far removed from the language in which the events of Scripture occured and were written in, and even if you were capable of compensating for all these alone St Paul was clearly against the idea of any one man interpreting scripture for himself.
And may the Peace of Christ by upon you too!
And with your spirit. :-)
Jesus says we must be baptized. Are you arguing with Him?
Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Every source I've seen says 'Immersion', not Submersion...The difference is being into as opposed to under...We are baptized 'into' Christ...
"He was born and baptized, that by His passion He might purify the water." (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians, Chapter 18, Roberts-Donaldson)
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations: And in them, the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb,
From Matthew to Revelation, I never once saw the name of Ignatius...He must be the 13th apostle not mentioned in the bible...Joe Smith and Mohammed wrote epistles as well...There's two more apostles...Who else you got on your list??? Maybe Ted Kennedy will write an epistle...
Is there anything theologically wrong with what is between those quotation marks?
I don't have any problem with it. It's funny, just a few minutes ago I hesitated using the word "Theotokos" to Kosta because I wasn't sure if there was an implication I could not agree with, so this was timely. I read a little about the Third Ecumenical Council, and from that it is easy for me to agree with Theotokos as opposed to Christotokos. Nestorius was a crock. I don't know if that is enough to give me a license to use the word, though. :)
From what I read, I think what you said would have passed muster with the Council.
The above is better theology than "Mother of God" because it is specific. It accurately portrays Jesus as both fully human and fully God.
The "Mother of God" does not accurately portray the human side of the Christ. Also, in a Trinitarian system in which the word "God" is ambiguous, it gives the impression that Mary preceded the entire Trinity.
I do think that "God bearer" is slightly better than "Mother of God," but "Jesus, the incarnate 2d Person of the Godhead" is better than either.
there are several apostles who were not among the 12. in fact Christ appeared to more than 70 apostles after the resurection or did you think st paul was following Christ around from day one?!?
further without folks like st ignateus you wouldn't even have the collected scripture let alone the translations you love to misquot and misinterpret
there are several apostles who were not among the 12. in fact Christ appeared to more than 70 apostles after the resurection or did you think st paul was following Christ around from day one?!?
further without folks like st ignateus you wouldn't even have the collected scripture let alone the translations you love to misquot and misinterpret
A disciple does not an apostle make...
Let's try this again...This time from your own corrupt Catholic bible:
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations: And in them, the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb,
Your very own Catholic bible says there are 12 apostles...Neener, neener...
further without folks like st ignateus you wouldn't even have the collected scripture let alone the translations you love to misquot and misinterpret
The manuscripts that were used to write my bible came out of Syria, where Christians Originated...Not Africa, where your bible came from...Ignatius is connected with your bible...Not mine...
That certainly explains alot. /so
Whatever bible you claim to have one thing is certain; Syrian Christians (be them Orthodox Christians, Eastern Catholics, or Non Chaceldonians which constitute Christianity there) would reject your silly protestant innovations.
Well now, they certainly wouldn't be the first 'christian' group(s) to reject the word of God, would they???
The bible says there were 12 apostles...You want it to be 70...So we'll throw the bible in the trash and keep the 70...Silly protestant innovations???
Sorry Charlie, that's a Catholic and bible innovation as well...
What, your church didn't tell you that???
If you don't know that Paul spent 3 years with Jesus after He was ressurected and received his instructions directly from God and NOT the other apostles, why are you even commenting on this topic???
Go down to the dime store and buy a bible...And then, read it...Find out if your church is telling you the truth...
Really.
So St Paul isn't an Apostle.
Yeah whatever.
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