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To: John Philoponus
An interesting read, however I think the early Christians got it wrong: March 25-April 6 is the period when Jesus was born; not conceived. The Bible states the shepherds were in the fields, watching over their flocks by night. The only time they do that is during lambing season, in early spring.
Very interesting about the great prophets dying on their birthdays; I hadn't heard that before.
2 posted on 12/14/2006 11:44:01 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( ISLAMA DELENDA EST!)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

Wrong


3 posted on 12/14/2006 1:09:11 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
First Apology St. Justin Martyr

Chapter 34. Place of Christ's birth foretold.

And hear what part of earth He was to be born in, as another prophet, Micah, foretold. He spoke thus: "And thou, Bethlehem, the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah; for out of thee shall come forth a Governor, who shall feed My people."

;Micah 5:2 Now there is a village in the land of the Jews, thirty-five stadia from Jerusalem, in which Jesus Christ was born, as you can ascertain also from the registers of the taxing made under Cyrenius, your first procurator in Judæa.

Against Marcion:... Tertullian

And yet how could He have been admitted into the synagogue—one so abruptly appearing, so unknown; one, of whom no one had as yet been apprised of His tribe, His nation, His family, and lastly, His enrolment in the census of Augustus—that most faithful witness of the Lord's nativity, kept in the archives of Rome

The Liturgical Year: Dom Gueranger

And firstly, with regard to our Saviour's Birth on Dec. 25, we have St. John Chrysostom telling us in his homliy for this Feast, that the Western Churches had, from the very commencement of Christianity, kept it on this day. He is not satisfied with merely mentioning this tradition; he undertakes to show it is very well founded, inasmuch as the Church of Rome had every means of knowing the true day of our Saviour's Birth, since the acts of the enrollment, taken in Judea by command of Augustus, were kept in the public archives of Rome.The Holy Doctor adduces a second arguement, which he founds upon the Gospel of St. Luke, and he reasons thus: we know from the sacred Scriptures that it must have been in the fast of the sevent month (Lev 23.the 7th month, Tsiri, corresponded to out Sept, beginning of October) that the Priest Zachary had the vision in the Temple; after which Elizabeth, his wife, conceived St. John the Baptist; hence it follows that that the Blessed Virgin Mary having, as the Evangelist St Luke relates, received the Angel Gabriel's visit, and conceived the Saviour of the world in the sixth month of Elizabeth's pregnancy, that is to say March, the Birth of Jesus must have taken place in the month of December.

*The Acts of the Enrollment were kept in the publicv liberry in Rome. And, we know from Traditon we celebrated Christmas the 25th in R5`me And we know from Scripture...

So, there is the Trifecta - Bible, Tradition,Church Because so many hate the Catholic Church, I will post a link to a protestant site..

5 posted on 12/14/2006 1:17:27 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

http://www.truthorfables.com/Christmas.htm#Part%202:%20Historical%20Proof%20of%20December%2025th%20Date


6 posted on 12/14/2006 1:18:06 PM PST by bornacatholic
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