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To: Kolokotronis; redgolum; Claud
Claud later says: God created Satan good. But when Satan willed to become evil, he was not creating some new phenomenon in the cosmos

Yes.

The mistranslation in Our Father grates me too. (It is really a case where Latin, with its absence of a definite article, allowed for "deliver us from evil" blandness without St. Jerome intending it). When I pray privately, I say "deliver us from the evil one". I also agree that the modern thinking tends to treat evil as an ostrich treats an IRS agent (or whatever it is that ostriches treat stupidly).

However, let us not knock the scholastics. The foundational verses are:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

(John 1)

as well as

God made not death, neither hath he pleasure in the destruction of the living.

(Wisdom 1:13)

God created man incorruptible, and to the image of his own likeness he made him. But by the envy of the devil, death came into the world

(Wisdom 2:23f)

Evil is absence of God as darkness is absence of light. But just as darkness is no less real because of its essence as an absence, evil is no less real because it is a product of the pride of Satan which resists God.

I think, what happens is that the modern imbeciles take the perfectly sound scholastic theology and play new age games with it. The author did not need to go there: the problem of evil is only a problem for post-enlightenment deists who could not fit it with the clockmaker God hypothesis. But then they are the ones responsible for the modern secularist mess in the first place.

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The relationship to Protestantism in this error is probably the opposite. The Western mind faced the problem of evil most intently in the Black Death. To that there was no simple explanation because the age that preceded it was the age of great faith.

Think you that these Galileans were sinners above all the men of Galilee, because they suffered such things? No, I say to you: but unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish.

(Luke 13:2f))

In the second half of 14c it looked to these poor people that they did enough penance, yet they were perishing. The clergy was nearly eliminated by disease in some towns. The best went first; the corrupt survived. The temptation to rewrite the Gospel in simple, more therapeutic terms was irresistible, and Christianity Lite was invented.

25 posted on 01/16/2007 10:32:29 AM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
I also agree that the modern thinking tends to treat evil as an ostrich treats an IRS agent (or whatever it is that ostriches treat stupidly).

LOL! That is a great illustration!

Wasn't trying to knock the Scholastics (though they did have problems) but trying to remember where that definition of evil came from. I also pray "deliver us from the evil one" privately (sometimes it slips out during the liturgy), and don't like the reduction but understand how it happened.

26 posted on 01/16/2007 10:54:38 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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