Posted on 01/25/2007 11:37:17 PM PST by Gamecock
Hey Marlowe, what is your professional opinion of this?
What's your take on this story?
L
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Thanks for clearing that up.
So he's infallible, except when he's not. Is that about it?
L
You, my FRiend, could be a junior Catholic theologian!
L
No trial transcript of the Cadaver Synod exists. Nonetheless, it is reasonably clear what happened
LOL AntiCatholic imaginations are wondrous to behold
Pope Stephen VII had Pope Formosus reinterred with full honors in St. Peters
Nobody can say our history is uninteresting. Also, nobody can,accurately, say this had anything to do with infallibility.
I typed "steven" in error. I intended "Stephen"
All popes, and in fact all people, are infallible whenever they teach the truth. Correct? Yes, correct.
Popes are infallible, in the sense that cackling Protestants never seem to able to learn, when they define Church doctrine that must be adhered to by all. Those times are extremely rare.
I will be infallible several times today. So will you. Right now I have the TV on. If I say, "I have the TV on," I am infallible on that point. That's a positive form of infalliblity. The infallibility exercized by popes is negative in form - the Holy Spirit protects them from defining error for all of us to believe.
In any case, I usually expect error from you folks, and you rarely disappoint. Worse, you usually don't disappoint while being needlessly derisive about what you clearly don't understand.
But that's not the 'doctrine of infallibility'.
when they define Church doctrine that must be adhered to by all.
So if the Pope woke up tomorrow and said "Doctrine says that the Earth is flat." he would be infallible?
Those times are extremely rare.
Tell that to Galileo or Copernicus.
L
The bearer of the infallibility is every lawful Pope as successor of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles. But the Pope alone is infallible, not others to whom he delegates a part of his teaching authority, for example, the Roman congregations.
The object of his infallibility is his teaching of faith and morals. This means especially revealed doctrine like the Incarnation. But it also includes any nonrevealed teaching that is in any way connected with revelation.
The condition of the infallibility is that the Pope speaks ex cathedra. For this is required that: 1. he have the intention of declaring something unchangeably true; and 2. he speak as shepherd and teacher of all the faithful with the full weight of his apostolic authority, and not merely as a private theologian or even merely for the people of Rome or some particular segment of the Church of God.
The source of the infallibility is the supernatural assistance of the Holy Spirit, who protects the supreme teacher of the Church from error and therefore from misleading the people of God.
As a result, the ex cathedra pronouncements of the Pope are unchangeable "of themselves," that is, not because others in the Church either first instructed the Pope or agree to what he says. (Etym. Latin in-, not + fallibilis; from fallere, to deceive: infallibilis, not able to deceive, or err.)
IMPECCABILITY
(Latin: in, not; peccare, to sin)
The impossibility of sinning. Christ's human will was impeccable because of its personal union with a Divine Person. A Divine Person cannot from its very nature possess the faculty of committing sin. Concupiscence and actual sin flow from original sin which we contract by reason of our carnal descent from Adam, but Christ was conceived miraculously through the operation of the Holy Ghost. Christ Himself said: "Which of you shall convince me of sin?" (John 8). This word is often confused with infallibility. Impeccability has to do with the will and with sin; infallibility, with the intellect and with opinion or doctrine. The pope is infallible, but not impeccable.
The bearer of the infallibility is every lawful Pope as successor of Peter, the Prince of the Apostles. But the Pope alone is infallible, not others to whom he delegates a part of his teaching authority, for example, the Roman congregations.
The object of his infallibility is his teaching of faith and morals. This means especially revealed doctrine like the Incarnation. But it also includes any nonrevealed teaching that is in any way connected with revelation.
The condition of the infallibility is that the Pope speaks ex cathedra. For this is required that: 1. he have the intention of declaring something unchangeably true; and 2. he speak as shepherd and teacher of all the faithful with the full weight of his apostolic authority, and not merely as a private theologian or even merely for the people of Rome or some particular segment of the Church of God.
The source of the infallibility is the supernatural assistance of the Holy Spirit, who protects the supreme teacher of the Church from error and therefore from misleading the people of God.
As a result, the ex cathedra pronouncements of the Pope are unchangeable "of themselves," that is, not because others in the Church either first instructed the Pope or agree to what he says. (Etym. Latin in-, not + fallibilis; from fallere, to deceive: infallibilis, not able to deceive, or err.)
IMPECCABILITY
(Latin: in, not; peccare, to sin)
The impossibility of sinning. Christ's human will was impeccable because of its personal union with a Divine Person. A Divine Person cannot from its very nature possess the faculty of committing sin. Concupiscence and actual sin flow from original sin which we contract by reason of our carnal descent from Adam, but Christ was conceived miraculously through the operation of the Holy Ghost. Christ Himself said: "Which of you shall convince me of sin?" (John 8). This word is often confused with infallibility. Impeccability has to do with the will and with sin; infallibility, with the intellect and with opinion or doctrine. The pope is infallible, but not impeccable.
ooops, sorry for the double post. my 'puter said it had "timed out" so I hit post again
I hate when that happens.
INFALLIBILITY. Freedom from error in teaching the universal Church in matters of faith or morals
So was Pope Urban XIII free from error when he condemned Galileo?
Was Pope Steven VI free from error when he prosecuted Formosus?
L
*That period produced this...
Proposueramus quidem 865 ad
Since, according to the canons, where there is a greater authority, the judgment of the inferiors must be brought to it to be annulled, or to be substantiated, certainly it is evident that the judgment of the Apostolic See, of whose authority there is none greater, is to be refused by no one.
*And even after all that "gloom and shame" we still have the Church standing triumphant over all its enemies who still attack it every single day from all directions, forgetting that Jesus Himself told a former famous persecuter that to attack the Church is to attack Jesus Himself
And Saul, as yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest, And asked of him letters to Damascus, to the synagogues: that if he found any men and women of this way, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. And as he went on his journey, it came to pass that he drew nigh to Damascus; and suddenly a light from heaven shined round about him. And falling on the ground, he heard a voice saying to him:Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? Who said: Who art thou, Lord? And he: I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
*But, when has Scripture EVER stopped sola scripturists from attacking Jesus?
neither instance involved infallibility.
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