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To: Uncle Chip
Seriously tho:

Christian commentators who are looking for trinitarian allusions in the Jewish Scriptures translate part of Isaiah "The Lord God and His Spirit have sent me." However, a proper rendering of the verse reads: And now the Lord God has sent me, and His spirit." The last two Hebrew words in this verse are shelachani ve-rucho ("He has sent me, and His spirit"), with "me, and His spirit" being the direct objects of "sent." Even though a definite direct object is usually preceded by the participle 'et, this grammatical rule is frequently not observed in the Bible, e.g., Exodus 15:9; Judges 5:12; Psalms 9:5, 20:3-4, 45:4. In fact, 'et rarely occurs in the poetic parts of the Bible. Thus, the meaning of the verse is that God has sent Isaiah accompanied by His prophetic spirit. There is no mention of the third member of the Trinity doctrine. Instead, Isaiah affirms that God, who has placed within him the power of prophecy, sent him.

The spirit is always at the disposal of God to bestow upon whomever He chooses, as stated in Numbers 11:17, 25, 29; Isaiah 42:1, 44:3; Joel 3:1. If this spirit referred to the third member of a coequal tri-unity god, how could it be ordered about at the discretion of the other members of this group? We see that the Jewish Scriptures teach that "spirit" does not refer to the third person of a tri-unity god. Thus God says to Moses, "And I will take of the spirit which is upon you, and I will put it upon them. . . . And He took of the spirit which was upon him, and He put it upon the seventy men, the elders, and it came to pass, when the spirit rested upon them, that they prophesied. . . . And Moses said . . . 'would that all the Lord's people were prophets, that the Lord would put His spirit upon them'" (Numbers 1:17, 25, 29).

Such a condition makes it obviously impossible to consider the spirit as being an associate of God, let alone coequal with Him.

127 posted on 02/06/2007 3:25:34 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Sorry....meant to ping you to # 129.


131 posted on 02/06/2007 4:03:53 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

A proper discernment of His revealed Word through faith in Christ reveals God, the Holy Spirit indwells each and every believer during the Church Age at the moment of salvation(1 Cor 6:19-20)

1Co 6:19-20
(19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
(20) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Old Testament believers were never indwelt by the Holy Spirit, rather some had an enduement or empowerment of the Holy Spirit.

God the Holy Spirit makes a sacred building out of the believer's body for the indwelling of God the Son, and God the Father. Denial of the indwelling of God the Holy Spirit denies the object which has been bought with a price by our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus and that which He predestined from eternity past.

We receive six additional gifts by God the Holy Spirit at salvation: efficacious grace, regeneration, sealing, spiritual gifts, filling and baptism.

While God the Holy Spirit indwells every believer in the Church Age, He only controls the soul under the title of 'filling of the Holy Spirit' or 'walking in the Spirit'. Whereas the sanctification process occuring from the human spirit to the mind to the heart and then with volition added to works becomes wisdom, the walking in the Spirit may at times refer to the latter stages of employing the epignosis in the heart to perform good works, whereas the filling of the Holy Spirit is required for the intake of Bible doctrine supernaturally to the human spirit, processing as gnosis in the mind and to the heart where is becomes a categorical chamber ready for employment by the believer's volition when he encounters problems in life.

The believer who fails to give control of his soul to the Holy Spirit falls under the title of 'carnal' or degeneration of the human soul, in his mind and possibly his heart.

When we sin, we lose the filling of the Holy Spirit, but not the indwelling during this Church Age.

In the life of every believer, the old sin nature, the old man, which is in our body must be overcome by the filling of the Holy Spirit. The use of divine power occurs with the filling of the Holy Spirit and is not operational simply based upon the indwelling. Human ability must be superceded by Divine ability, which makes the understandng and filling of the Holy Spirit an essential component in the spiritual life of every believer.

Without the filling of the Holy Spirit, it is impossible for the believer to fufill the divine plan for the believer in this Church Age. Additionally, whereas we are not defiled from what enters a man, but from what proceeds from us, while we remain filled with the Holy Spirit, we are able to face even the most adverse situation possible and still produce divine god through faith in Christ.

Whereas the indwelling of the Holy Spirit emphasizes the body, the filling of God the Holy Spirit emphasize the believer's soul (mind and heart). (1stCor 3:15-21)

The filling of the Holy Spirit is mandated of each and evry believer, (Eph 5:18) or walking with the Spirit (Gal 5:16) whereas the indwelling is never commanded of man, but instead is independent of man's volition, rather the indwelling of the believer's body is the status quo of God.
THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT POINT FOR EVERY BELIEVER IF THEY SHOULD FACE THE END TIMES AND POSSIBLY BE COMPELLED TO TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. The indwelling of God the Holy Spirit is unique in the Church Age and has never before happened, nor will occur again after the Church Age.

Any and every man might commit the most heinous sins possible, yet still have salvation through faith in Christ and the ministries and indwelling of the Holy Spirit during this Church Age. For the Holy Spirit to be removed from inswelling man at the great Tribulation, something more significant than merely turning away or sin occurs. Those things have already been dealt with by our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. Vengeance is the Lord's, not ours. Some will go into captivity and some will doe by the sword, but His elect will be saved and the end of the age will not occur until He has gathered up His elect, except for the remnant and two witnesses.

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a temple in the body. The filling of the Holy Spirit is a triumph of the soul.

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the previous old sin nature inherited in man from birth in the body result in tremendous conflict. (Gal 5:17) This issue isn't resolved by morality, which results in appeal in the soul to legalism and loss of filling of the Holy Spirit, rather the emphasis is on remaining in fellowship with God through faith in Christ in our soul, (mind and heart) and combined with our volition to remain in fellowship with Him, thereby allowing God's divine power to overcome all temptation, rather than our volition independent of God.

This is why inculcation of Bible doctrine, faith, in our hearts is so important, so that we may continually have a divine response through faith in Christ ready for any and every situation which thrusts itself upon us. There is no temptation too great than that which may be resisted and He as provided for us in eternity past, by His plan to grace us with logistical providence for every situation we will encounter. Such is the plan of God. We are to remain filled with the Holy Spirit so that we are at His right time and place to fulfill that plan.

Two further issues arise regarding Scriptural lessons on the Holy SPirit. We are commanded not the grieve the Holy Spirit, which is what we do whenever we sin, thereby stepping out of fellowship with Him. This might occur if we are not in truth or if we act independently of Him, i.e. sin. This first stage of carnality is symptomatic of worldly thinking, making good and order out of the chaos of the of our environment and creating an ordered world independent of Him.

The second stage of degeneration in the believer's mind and heart, when out of fellowship, is to quench the Holy Spirit. Whereas grieving the Holy SPirit is simply any type of sin, a stepping away from Him or turning away from Him, loss of fellowship with the Holy Spirit,...the quenching of the Holy Spirit is the next progression of degeneracy resulting in an attack on His plan. (1st Thes 5:19) (it might be noted that many lessons of God the Holy Spirit are provided around the middle of the 5th chapters of many of the epistles,...although not a neccesity it might provide a useful learning tip when searching Scripture).

John 14:23-31 shows us the main objective for this indwelling of the Holy Spirit is his teaching ministry. Be sure to understand the teaching is not merely limited to the mind and heart but also involves the supernatural teaching of the regenerated human spirit which has been bought with a price. Even unbelievers and those who study comparative religion can master thoughts in their mind and heart, but by worldly standards of good, not divine standards. For those who have been raised in a Christian culture, it is very tempting to fall back onto our scarred thinking processes and vocabulary in our heart and not realize when we may have slipped outof fellowship with God the Holy SPirit. For this reason, it is imprtant to keep short accounts and utilize 1stJohn 1:9 frequently, never ceasing in prayer and thinking the mind of Christ.

Anointing or unction of the Holy SPirit also refers to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.


139 posted on 02/06/2007 5:56:38 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant; Diego1618; kerryusama04
However, a proper rendering of the verse reads: "And now the Lord God has sent me, and His spirit."

But here is Isaiah 61:1 from Young's Literal Translation:

"The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah [is] on me, Because Jehovah did anoint me To proclaim tidings to the humble, He sent me to bind the broken of heart, To proclaim to captives liberty, And to bound ones an opening of bands. . . . ".

Jesus reads this passage from Isaiah after his Baptism by John [and in the wilderness] at which the Father and the Holy Spirit were present, indicating that Jesus is the "me" here.

151 posted on 02/07/2007 5:41:00 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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