[Diego1618]

I encourage you to study Scripture with the cognizance of God revealing Himself to us in these three persons, while opportunity still exists.

The Holy Spirit is not a person. Many folks "do believe" that the Holy Spirit of God is a separate entity.....and the reason for this doctrinal error is actually quite simple. The Spirit "does things"! [1 Corinthians 12:11][Acts 2:24][1 Peter 3:18][Hebrews 13:20] and [Romans 1:4]. The Spirit participated in creation [Genesis 1:2,26,27], made Job [Job 33:4]....but does this mean it is a person?

If it does, then "Wisdom" is also a person; [Proverbs 8:12,15 and 9:1-3]. Now....nobody actually believes wisdom is a person....but the scriptures plainly show it doing things. ...performing "works"....with human like qualities. The Holy Spirit of God also performs works but teaching that it is a separate person is as silly as believing that wisdom would be a separate person.

This is what the "New Catholic Encyclopedia" says: "The OT (Old Testament) clearly does not envisage God's spirit as a person, neither in the strictly philosophical sense, nor in the Semitic sense. God's spirit is simply God's Power. If it is sometimes represented as being distinct from God, it is because the breath of Yahweh acts exteriorly (Isa. 48:16; 63:11; 32:15).......Very rarely do the OT writers attribute to God's spirit emotions or intellectual activity (Isa. 63:10; Wis.1:3-7). When such expressions are used, THEY ARE MERE FIGURES OF SPEECH that are explained by the fact that the RUAH was regarded also as the seat of intellectual acts and feeling (Gen. 41:8). Neither is there found in the OT or in rabbinical literature the notion that God's spirit is an intermediary being between God and the world. This activity is proper to the angels, although to them is ascribed some of the activity that elsewhere is ascribed to the spirit of God" (New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 13, p. 574, emphasis theirs).

Is the Holy Spirit of God a person? Obviously not. Can you find a scripture that says The Spirit has a body, eyes, mouth, ears??? No! Some scriptures are said to give the Spirit of God human like qualities, [Ephesians 4:30]. Ah! The Spirit can be grieved....so it must be a person. [Acts 7:51] Stiff necked people resisting the Spirit. [Acts 5:9] Tempting the Spirit. These are some reasons the Trinitarians believe the Spirit is a person. But, does giving human like qualities to something make it a person?

How many times have you called a favorite car or boat "Honey bun"? People give personal qualities to inanimate objects all the time. Even God inspired this kind of language when Moses referred to Cain killing Abel! [Genesis 4:10] The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. Another example; [Psalm 98:8] Let the floods clap their hands. Let the hills be joyful together.

Would we say that the "blood, the flood and the hills" are persons? I can show you scriptures indicating that God and His Son have body parts. You can show me no scripture that says the spirit has the same.

The Greek assigns a masculine gender for the word "Spirit" and we see it referred to as HE, HIM, HIMSELF throughout the New Testament. In the Old Testament the gender is female. Most languages have genders for their nouns so this proves nothing. The Greek "Parakletos" (comforter) has a masculine gender. This does not mean that Parakletos is a person.....only a noun.

Again, let me state.....The concept of a Trinitarian God head is Pagan. It existed long before in the "Babylonian Mystery Religion" and was allowed to enter the early Church from a convenience standpoint. It is not scriptural in any way shape or form. The mere fact that the "Johannine Comma" [1 John 5:7-8] exists should cause those of you disposed to this silliness to reconsider your doctrinal positions.

[Eagle Eye]

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Actually, if people would read the Gospel of John while remmebering what he says in the first epistle there would be no debated.

It is not possible for one to confess that Jesus came in the flesh if one actually believes that Jesus is God/also God/Divine/God the Son/man-god, etc.

As I said much earlier, trinity = baalim.

[spunkets]

"The Holy Spirit is not a person."

What is a person?

[Conservative til I die]

I honestly don't understand Arianism or any of its sister heresies on the nature and divinity of Christ. The non-Trinitarians point to Scripture saying there is no evidence for God's Trinitarian nature, yet John 1:1 is as succint and to the point as possible. Jesus is the Word. He is with God and He is God. You can't say it any more clearly.

The best I've seen from the non-Trinitarians are some Old Testament verses and claims that the Bible was translated in a corrupt fashion or revised at a later point, not with a shred of proof of course.

John 1:1 is such a powerful verse that the Jehovah's Witnesses, the flagbearers of Arianism today, went out of their way to fraudulently re-translate it. Obviously, they didn't think it was some obscure, allegorical statement that could just be shrugged off.

[Conservative til I die]

Is the Holy Spirit of God a person? Obviously not

Using Old Testament verses to dispute the idea of an animated Holy Spirit is somewhat facetious. It's like using an ancient Greek text to try and prove the Earth is flat.

Do we know what the Spirit looks like? That is, does he have ears, body, mouth, etc, like you ask? Who knows? He is a Spirit, so He wouldn't have a corporal body. But just because His "body" parts are not mentioned doesn't mean they don't exist. That's a poor argument from silence. The Bible doesn't mention whether or not Jesus exercised normal bodily functions; doesn't mean He didn't.

Relegating the Spirit to some sort of inanimate "life force" is what the Jehovah's Witnesses put forth regularly. Yet the Spirit can be blasphemed against, He will help us. The Spirit is often referred to as "He." The Holy Spirit speaks. Inanimate life forces do not have these attributes.

[Cvengr]

The reason you do not understand the Holy Spirit as a person is because your understanding is of man and not revealed to you from His Spirit.

Any believer through faith in Christ may return to Him through 1stJohn 1:9 and remain in fellowship with God through faith in Christ, thereby allowing the Holy Spirit to perform His teaching ministry.

[Cvengr]

It seems to me that you confuse and insist upon confusing a three god entity with the Trinity. That is not the meaning of the Trinity.

There is only one God.

He is revealed as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Each one of those persons performs very different functions and ministries as He reveals Himself to us in order that we might take on the mind of Christ.

[kerryusama04]

Notice this one, my FRiend

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Priests of God and of Christ, but not the Holy Spirit? I guess the Trinitarians look at the glass as 2/3 full.

[dangus]

Actually, "Wisdom," as referred to in Proverbs, has been traditionally identified as the Holy Spirt. Nonetheless, that fact does not affect any arguments here, since proving it merely through scripture is unlikely, and the truth of that assertion is irrelevant; what matters is only the fact that there is no proof that Wisdom is not a person, and so the fact that a thesis inplies that Wisdom is a person does not negate the render the thesis in valid.

>> Can you find a scripture that says The Spirit has a body, eyes, mouth, ears??? <<

You misunderstand what a "person" is. You may be surprised to know that corporations (such as IBM) are persons, and as such, are afforded due-process and other considerations under the U.S. Constitution, for instance.

>> The Spirit can be grieved....so it must be a person. [Acts 7:51] But, does giving human like qualities to something make it a person? <<

Yes, actually, ascribing reason to something does make it a person, for instance. Relevant definitions of a person include:

"A self-conscious or rational being." (Animals are not known to be self-conscious; they may weep, or be sad, but "grieving" implies self-consciousness.)

"An entity recognized by law as having rights and duties."

"An individual of specified character: a person of importance."

From Latin, "persona," meaning "mask," "role," or "appearance." Hence, one being may, in fact, have three personae, in that they may play three roles, have three appearances, or don three masks.

In Greek, however, the concept represented in Catholic theology by "person" is "hypostasis": "the underlying or essential part of anything as distinguished from attributes; substance, essence, or essential principle."

As such, the three persons of the trinity aren't merely three "masks" or three "roles," but three fundamentally discreet realities; God the Father doesn't shift shift modalities to become God the Son; they are both eternal, and with discreet, essential and eternal characteristics.