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To: kerryusama04

Yeah, whatever. I'm not sure what you're saying anymore, it doesn't make a lot of sense especially in the context of these discussions.

One can be saved and never know Abraham.

If one tries to follow the law, then one is trying to be saved by works and not grace.

Abraham's faith and salvation was based on a continuing belief of the coming messiah.

My salvation is based on confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised him from the dead.

Abraham's way of salvation won't work today.


212 posted on 02/09/2007 10:54:54 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There oughta be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye; Diego1618
Yeah, whatever. I'm not sure what you're saying anymore, it doesn't make a lot of sense especially in the context of these discussions.

Usually, me and Diego are usually off in our own little world, but on this thread, I'm afraid that you are the one who is confusing the crap out of everyone.

One can be saved and never know Abraham.

It's not a matter of knowing Abraham, it is a matter of emulating Abraham. Before Jesus, Abraham was the best example of a true believer. He understood that God gave him a son, and for that matter everything, and that God could take it away. Abraham had so much faith, demonstrated through is works, that he is the pinnacle of salvation for the entire planet. If you haven't studied the parallels between what Abraham did and what God has done for us, then perhaps you might want to go back to the drawing board.

If one tries to follow the law, then one is trying to be saved by works and not grace.

One is only saved by grace, through faith, but faith without works is death. This antinomianism that has permeated our society and theologies is a cancer that is in total opposition to our Lord.

Mat 5:19 "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

Abraham's faith and salvation was based on a continuing belief of the coming messiah.

Indeed, Abraham was saved by Jesus' atoning sacrifice looking forward, we are saved by looking backward at the sacrifice of God's spotless Lamb.

1Pe 1:17 If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth;
1Pe 1:18 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers,
1Pe 1:19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.
1Pe 1:20 For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you
1Pe 1:21 who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God

My salvation is based on confessing Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised him from the dead.

And then what? Have you ever heard the one about how Billy Graham is the best preacher on the planet, providing you get hit by a bus and die on the way home from the revival. Walking around saying "Lord, Lord" like a rapper getting an award isn't gonna cut, my FRiend. You have to DO something with this faith. You have to sanctify yourself.

Abraham's way of salvation won't work today.

Then why are we the adopted son's of Abraham and heirs according to the promise? What is different between Abraham's salvation and our own? I contend it is EXACTLY the same. Either we believe God and keep his Commandments, or we don't.

213 posted on 02/09/2007 11:18:45 AM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: Eagle Eye

Have you considered that perhaps the same faith of Abraham, was the same faith of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, as it is the same of those saved today?

Rom 3:22-26


227 posted on 02/09/2007 8:31:50 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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