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To: Diego1618
"We know that the translators were Trinitarians....that's a given. They had preconceived notions."

No. The Jews aren't trinitarians. I gave their translation.

From Job 38-7, "And all sons of God shout for joy?"

The Jewish believe these are angels.

"I said [Genesis 1:26]"Let us make man in Our image" does not prove a Trinity......does not even suggest it!"

That's correct on it's own. The Jews believed they were angels, as in Gen 3. It's not until the NT that the meaning becomes clear. John 1:1-5, Isaiah 63, and the other passages I posted makes it very clear. Man being a trinity of soul, body and spirit, was made in the image and likeness of God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That's the evidence for the Trinity. It's the NT that makes it so.

Matt 11:27
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

No one knows the Father, except the Son, and those whom the Son chooses to reveal Him!

230 posted on 02/10/2007 4:28:17 AM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets

In reading these posts, I have bcome more convinced that until one is called by the Father, and the believer places faith in Him through the Son, then the Holy Spirit doesn't rgenerate the human spirit in the believer.

Instead, a human who seeks to find God on his own, independent of believing in God hrough faith in Christ, simply scars his own thinking processes and interprets Scripture purely from a soulish perspective.

Likewise for believers who have sinned, but have never returned to God through faith in Him by His protocols, there is a tremendous worldly system of religion which pulls at the reversionistic carnal Christian, luring him into false religion. The carnal Christian seeking solace, but without actually returning to the true Christ, might fall back onto past soulish thinking, turnign to a worldly system of religion instead of relying on God the Holy Spirit.

The more he studies Scripture while out of fellowship with God, the further he scars his own soul, further decreasing his conscience from signaling his deeper reversion from God.

There are only two groups of humans, believers and unbelievers. If an unbeliever, the first issue is to come to God by believing in Him through faith in Christ. This only possible through the work of each person of the Godhead, one God. If a believer, the issue is to keep short accounts and remain in fellowship with God through faith in Christ. 1stJohn 1:9 provides ample guidance for those who deny His Divinity in post salvation sin. Then after returning to fellwoship with Him, the believer must allow God the Holy Spirit to do all the work of transmitting the LOGOS to our understanding, to our mind, to our heart and remain in fellowship with Him as we put doctrine into practice as we are tested.

Those who deny the Son, or the Holy Spirit merely blind themselves to the grace He has made available to them.

Those who deny the Son, do not have the Father in them, nor the Son.


231 posted on 02/10/2007 4:49:31 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: spunkets; Cvengr; kerryusama04; Uncle Chip
As I see it, verses supporting the Trinity can also be found in Romans chapter 8.

1-2:Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

5: Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

9: You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

13-14: For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

33-35: Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?

What we see in chapter 8 are references to God, Jesus and the Spirit and how they relate to each other. There is more in chapter 8 that best fits into the concept of the Trinity as well.
235 posted on 02/10/2007 8:51:09 AM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: spunkets
I gave their translation.

Where?

The Jews did NOT translate the KJV as you seem to claim.

236 posted on 02/10/2007 8:55:11 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There oughta be a law against excess legislation.)
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