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New Spiritual Method Called 'The Secret' Promoted On Tv Has A Hidden Occult Link
Spirit Daily ^ | 02.19.07

Posted on 02/19/2007 12:42:01 PM PST by Coleus

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To: Vision
Abundance is preached all over the Bible.

"I come that you may have life and have it more abundantly."

"It is the Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom."

61 posted on 02/20/2007 9:38:55 PM PST by TBP
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To: cyborg
It is about the promotion of the messages of 'channeling spirits'

Utterly false statement. It's not aobut that at all. It's simply about the Law of Abundance.

BTW, "What the Bleep" (also an excellent film) was about quantum physics and mysticism. Its critics simply seized on the fact that one of the people involved was a channeler to try to discredit it. (Didn't work.)

62 posted on 02/20/2007 9:42:26 PM PST by TBP
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To: Mr. Jeeves
98% of people confronted with the concept that they have control over their own lives will simply refuse to accept it. Being a victim is too much a part of their identities. That's why Democrat policies remain so popular.

Unfortunately true. It's much easier to sell the idea of powelessness than the idea that we are powerful. Especially when we have 1.5 political parties whose very existence depends on people believing this.

Your post is excellent. I agree with all of it.

63 posted on 02/20/2007 9:45:25 PM PST by TBP
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To: Vision
Have you seen it? What did you think?

www.associatedcontent.com/article/148253/do_you_want_to_know_a_secret.html

64 posted on 02/20/2007 9:46:52 PM PST by TBP
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To: Gal.5:1
occultic mystery religion, which is the belief that either lucifer is god, or "we are god".

"Know ye not that ye are gods?"

65 posted on 02/20/2007 9:48:31 PM PST by TBP
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To: Gal.5:1
She denies Christ

On one of her shows about "The Secret" she called her self a Christian more than once.

66 posted on 02/20/2007 9:50:24 PM PST by TBP
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To: Pietro
Visualize whirled peas

AS IT WAS SPOKEN.
SO IT WAS DONE!


67 posted on 02/20/2007 10:00:46 PM PST by uglybiker (AU-TO-MO-BEEEEEEEL?!!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

She's a nut.


68 posted on 02/20/2007 10:06:06 PM PST by uglybiker (AU-TO-MO-BEEEEEEEL?!!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Sounds like Nepolian Hill "Think and Grow Rich!"

They have revised the Book and now it not as inspired as it once was they did the same to Dale Carnegie "How to win Friend and Influence People" they revised the book and now it lost that spark!

The original books had some good principals to live by!


69 posted on 02/20/2007 10:12:45 PM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: TBP
If that's what you think it is, I think you've completely misunderstood it. I found nothing about it that was liberal or conservative, that was paranoid, that said that anything that feels good is good. That sounds like the description of it by someone who has never seen it but is sure he hates it.

I can assure you the Bush bashing, the mocking of the war on terror, and trying to blame all of the viewers' problems on white business leaders is liberal crap.
70 posted on 02/21/2007 5:09:14 AM PST by Vision ("Delight yourself in the Lord; and he will give you your heart's desires." Psalm 37:4)
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To: TBP
Esther Hicks is not part of the film. She has withdrawn from it. Furthermore, her statement is simply about how politicians who are unpopularseem to get more attnetion than those who are popular. (Yes, I saw it.)

Esther Hicks is the main character in the original version. You're nuts if you think they are not talking about Bush.
71 posted on 02/21/2007 5:12:45 AM PST by Vision ("Delight yourself in the Lord; and he will give you your heart's desires." Psalm 37:4)
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To: Vision; TBP; restornu
I can assure you the Bush bashing, the mocking of the war on terror, and trying to blame all of the viewers' problems on white business leaders is liberal crap.

You are overstating all three of those things. The brief images of cigar-chomping executives supposedly keeping The Secret from everyone are stupid, but it's readily accessible image that the viewing audience can relate to. Nobody has kept The Secret a secret - people just look at it and refuse to believe it can work for them.

And though the movie does no actual "Bush-bashing", it does suggest that declaring "wars" to fight against things you don't want (drugs, poverty, etc.) is counterproductive because if focuses energy on those negative things - which is a concept common to Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism....and, what do you know, even Christianity. It's just possible that FR popular wisdom is totally wrong about the "War on Terror", and that building Al Qaeda up into the Second Coming of Hitler was a huge tactical blunder that gave them all sorts of power and legitimacy and new support they didn't deserve. But hey, both parties sure took advantage of the chance to make the government bigger and more intrusive, didn't they?

Joe Vitale, the marketing guru who appeared in The Secret, just posted a pretty good rebuttal to critics in his blog:

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007
Is "The Secret" a Lie?

It's the ebb and flow of life.

Sooner or later the critics come flying out of their dark hiding places and start finding holes in anything that is popular. Start talking about global warming and eventually others will start talking about global cooling. And both will have sound arguments to defend their cases.

This is just beginning to happen with critics of the movie The Secret. One recent article even went as far as to say The Secret is a lie. And even dangerous. The article defends its position with mental images about the poor in Africa, or children dying of diseases.

It's a pretty bleak view and a strongly worded emotional argument.

So, is The Secret a lie?

Of course not.

It's no more a lie than anything else taken out of context and reinterpreted in a filtered, limited, negative way.

The movie is all about one idea. It doesn't pretend to tell you the secret-s of the universe. Just one of them.

And is The Secret dangerous?

At most, it may be guilty of leaving out some important extra steps to creating your ideal life.

If I were involved in the making of the movie (I'm in the movie but I didn't produce it), I'd also point out there is a law of right action, too. (see post #27 - James 4:2-3)

Also, there are often counter intentions that need to be cleared for The Secret to work.

And I'd make sure people knew that feeling is more important than thought in creating your own reality.

But maybe those topics will be discussed in the sequel.

Still, the movie reveals the Law of Attraction in a powerful, inspired and inspiring way.

It's not at all dangerous.

But it's so easy to be a critic. Simply focus on the negative, find situations or people who the item won't or didn't work for, and then condemn the item.

I could take virtually any self-help, personal development, financial success, science of influence, rules of engagement, or any other book, course or topic out there and with little effort find situations where it won't or didn't work.

Critics do that all the time.

The media does that, too.

What would be the point?

It would be staying in the negative and keeping people feeling bad.

How would that serve anyone?

I prefer to inspire myself and others.

In fact, my next book, Zero Limits, explains that what you have to do to change the entire planet is change yourself.

My own take is that The Secret will work for anyone who will apply it.

What about the people in Africa?

Well, do you think they know The Secret?

Hardly.

What about children dying?

Well, do you think they know The Secret?

Hardly.

And what if someone who knew The Secret ended up in Africa or with a disease?

Obviously (as the movie points out), they could change themselves and their situation.

That's the whole point of knowing The Secret.

Rather than condemning the movie by citing examples where people don't even know the principle let alone practice it, I think a wiser stance is to find how The Secret works, demonstrate it in your own life, and let your life be a model for others to be inspired by.

I think that's what the teachers in the movie, including myself, are trying to do.

All in all, I'd rather be a creator than a critic.

By creating a life worth living, I make a difference in the world -- first in my own life, and then in the lives of others who are inspired to dare something worthy, too.

The Secret isn't a lie; it's a law.

You just have to apply it.

Ao Akua,

Joe
www.mrfire.com

PS - I got a traffic ticket a week ago. I attracted it to me -- by not obeying the law. The law is there for me to obey or not. Follow it and I get good results. Don't follow it and I may get results I don't want. Traffic law can be considered less important or concrete than the law of gravity. But it's still a law. So is the law revealed in the movie The Secret. Go watch it again.

72 posted on 02/21/2007 5:33:44 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: TBP; Gal.5:1

"Know ye not that ye are gods?"


I also questioned this verse. As God's first commandment was to have no other gods before Him it just didn't make sense. The explanation is to read this as, "know ye not that ye are God's". It's possessive - we all belong to God, we are His. There is only one God.

I equate this verse with the "you must hate your father and mother". Why, when one of His commandments was to honor your father and mother? It was mistranslated and should read "love less", not hate. He should be first in our lives.


73 posted on 02/21/2007 5:56:01 AM PST by Ping-Pong
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To: Mr. Jeeves
You are overstating all three of those things.

No I'm not.
74 posted on 02/21/2007 5:56:19 AM PST by Vision ("Delight yourself in the Lord; and he will give you your heart's desires." Psalm 37:4)
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To: Ping-Pong
The explanation is to read this as, "know ye not that ye are God's". It's possessive

That's not how it's written. It seems like you're massaging the quote to make it fit.

75 posted on 02/21/2007 6:48:33 AM PST by TBP
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To: Coleus

BTW, just for the record, but underlining the entire phrease "Oprah and Larry King Live" the article erroneously makes it look like they're sharing a show now. (Taht would be a strnge program!)


76 posted on 02/21/2007 6:50:09 AM PST by TBP
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To: Vision
Esther Hicks is the main character in the original version.

I've seen it and she isn't. She is simply one of many spokespeople, no mor eimportant than, say, Jack Canfield, Michael Beckwith, Bob Proctor, or any of several others, although clearly more prominent than the likes of Loral Langemeier and Fred Alan Wolf.

You're nuts if you think they are not talking about Bush.

I don't know that they are or aren't. Certainly they don't mention any names. You, on the other hand, are assuming that they must be talking about President Bush.

77 posted on 02/21/2007 6:54:39 AM PST by TBP
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To: TBP

Hicks has more screen time than anyone else.

You are a loon if you don't think they are talking about Bush. And another great scene is when they show the military helicopter and carrier and describe it as a nightmare.


78 posted on 02/21/2007 7:01:47 AM PST by Vision ("Delight yourself in the Lord; and he will give you your heart's desires." Psalm 37:4)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
The brief images of cigar-chomping executives supposedly keeping The Secret from everyone are stupid, but it's readily accessible image that the viewing audience can relate to. Nobody has kept The Secret a secret - people just look at it and refuse to believe it can work for them.

What was the famous quote about that? "Our worst fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented and fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God; your playing small doesn't serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We were born to make manifest the glory of God within us. It is not just in some of us, it is in everyone, and as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people premission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." (It's been variously attributed to different people.)

I agree with you that the images of someone trying to keep "The Secret" a secret are silly. I think they may be in response to the popularity (in certain circles that are critical to the success of "The Secret") of the "Celestine Prophecy" movie, which also features the powerful trying to keep the "Truth" from the rest of us. That movie only came out less than a year before "The Secret" and I suspect that it may have inspired those scenes, although I'm sure Rhonda Byrne would not say so.

79 posted on 02/21/2007 7:03:57 AM PST by TBP
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To: Vision
Hicks has more screen time than anyone else.

Not really. Proctor, Vitale, and the others are on a lot. I must admit, I got a little tired of seeign Bob Proctor's face. (Good material, but can we spread the participation a bit?) I didn't get that feeling with Hicks, although I got the feeling that somehow she didn't seemto fit in fully.

Esther Hicks is simply one of the players. However, she came in with a bigger name than most of the others.

And she's been completely cut out of the version most people are seeing. So your notion that the film is to promote the Hickses is simply wrong on the face of it.

80 posted on 02/21/2007 7:07:49 AM PST by TBP
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