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To: jo kus
I'm done speaking with you. If you can't figure it out that Origen considered the Deuterocannonicals as Scripture from my posts, it is pointless to discuss this with you any longer. Take note of your tagline and realize I am following Scriptures Titus 3:9-10 Adios

I'm sorry you feel that way, but don't get mad at me. I'm only the messenger bringing you the facts. If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at Origen who has left many victims in his wake, or Eusebius, after all he was the one who wrote the following about Origen in his Ecclesiastical History:

"WHEN expounding the first Psalm, he [Origen] gives a catalogue of the sacred Scriptures of the Old Testament as follows: "It should be stated that the canonical books, as the Hebrews have handed them down, are twenty-two; corresponding with the number of their letters." Farther on he says: "The twenty-two books of the Hebrews are the following: That which is called by us Genesis, but by the Hebrews, from the beginning of the book, Bresith, which means, 'In the beginning'; Exodus, Welesmoth, that is, 'These are the names'; Leviticus, Wikra, 'And he called'; Numbers, Ammesphekodeim; Deuteronomy, Eleaddebareim, ' These are the words'; Jesus, the son of Nave, Josoue ben Noun; Judges and Ruth, among them in one book, Saphateim; the First and Second of Kings, among them one, Samouel, that is, 'The called of God'; the Third and Fourth of Kings in one, Wammelch David, that is, 'The kingdom of David'; of the Chronicles, the First and Second in one, Dabreiamein, that is, 'Records of days'; Esdras, First and Second in one, Ezra, that is, 'An assistant'; the book of Psalms, Spharthelleim; the Proverbs of Solomon, Meloth; Ecclesiastes, Koelth; the Song of Songs (not, as some suppose, Songs of Songs), Sir Hassirim; Isaiah, Jessia; Jeremiah, with Lamentations and the epistle in one, Jeremia; Daniel, Daniel; Ezekiel, Jezekiel; Job, Job; Esther, Esther. And besides these there are the Maccabees, which are entitled Sarbeth Sabanaiel. He gives these in the abovementioned work." [Eusebius: Ecclesiastical History; Book VI; CHAPTER XXV.]

43 posted on 03/02/2007 11:48:03 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
I am not mad at you, Uncle Chip, just frustrated, as I have posted quotes from Origen HIMSELF who calls 2 Maccabees Scripture. He defends the Greek version of Daniel. He calls Tobit, Judith, and Wisdom Scripture. But if you know more about the mind of Origen then Origen HIMSELF, then what can I say? I was just disagreeing with the website you posted - and I thought that the primary source of Origen HIMSELF would have more authority then what you posted. If you recall from 2 weeks ago, that was when I responded to you - to refute your site.

Regards just the same.

46 posted on 03/03/2007 2:16:03 PM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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