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The Temple Time Bomb
http://bibleprobe.com/templebomb.htm ^ | Jay Gary

Posted on 03/02/2007 4:47:28 PM PST by Blogger

Will the "Time Bomb" over the Temple Mount ignite? Will this and perchance Israel becoming the world's Oil King after striking oil (mother load) in the Dead Sea ignite World War III and Armegeddon?

The Temple Time Bomb

By Jay Gary Can it be diffused? Or will the Middle East explode in war?

Defying all logic, a 35-acre landmass surrounded by ancient walls is ground zero to the end-time dreams and fears of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Known by Muslims as the Haram esh-Sharif or Noble Enclosure since A.D. 638, these fortress walls guard Islam's third holiest site, the golden "Dome of the Rock" and Al-Aqsa Mosque.

Despite thirteen centuries of Islamic heritage, Jews today consider the Haram as their Temple Mount. Tradition calls it "the navel of the world ... situated in the center of the world."

The Temple Mount, thought to be the site of the First and Second Jewish temples, abuts the Haram's "Western Wall"—-considered by Jews to be the only stones left intact from the Roman sacking of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. The outcropping under the Dome of the Rock is thought to be the crest of Mount Moriah where Abraham nearly sacrificed his son.

Increasingly, zealous Jews in Israel and End-Time Christians in America are calling for the rebuilding of a "Third Temple" where the Dome of the Rock stands.

In his book, Arabs and Jews: Wounded Spirits In A Promised Land, New York Times journalist David Shipler reports, "During my five years in Jerusalem, the idea of building a Third Temple in place of Al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock evolved from a wild notion held by a very few fringe militants into a goal embraced and legitimized by parts of the established right wing."

Shipler continues, "Some groups had a letterhead printed with a composite aerial photograph of the Old City as it is today and the Temple Mount as they wish it to be tomorrow: clear of mosques and dominated by a huge temple."

End-Time Temptation

In a recent book, The End of Days: Fundamentalism and the Struggle for the Temple Mount," Israeli journalist, Gershon Gorenberg writes, "The Temple Mount beckons seductively to believers eager to restart redemption." Although journalists or theologians often mock them, Gorenberg claims governments need to take their apocalyptic schemes seriously. According to messianic groups in Jerusalem such as the Temple Mount Faithful, three events must take place before the Jewish messiah comes: the reconstitution of Israel, the return of the Jews to their homeland; and the construction of a Third Temple.

As religious Jews tell it, the first two events came about through the founding of the Jewish State in 1948. They believe the third has become possible due to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war. Israel found herself capturing the West Bank and East Jerusalem. "The Temple Mount is in our hands," proclaimed Motta Gur, the Israeli commander. But on the fourth day of occupation, then Defense-minister Moshe Dayan decided to return control of the Haram compound to clerics from the Islamic Trust or Waqf.

Despite the control of the Haram by the Waqf, the continued occupation of the Old City of Jerusalem by Israel has transformed the rebuilding of the Temple for extreme Jews from a divine prophecy into an attainable human endeavor.

Palestinians have always felt the goal of Jewish Zionism is, as its name implies, control of the Temple Mount and the construction of the Third Temple. In 1995, an Arab editorial declared, "The weeping of the Jews by the Wailing Wall and their kisses do not come of their love for the wall itself, but from their secret desire to win control of the Haram esh-Sharif, as everyone knows."

Palestinian uneasiness about Jewish extremism is understandable. On more than one hundred occasions since 1967, members of the "Jewish underground" have initiated plots to siege or destroy the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa mosque, acts that would have rendered peace with the Arab world unattainable.

Igniting World War III?

The rhetoric about the Temple Mount has inflamed passions on all sides. Indeed, it was a principal factor, if not the key factor, in derailing the U.S. brokered Camp David peace talks in 2000. Israelis insisted on dual ownership of the Haram, something Arafat said no Arab leader could accept.

Making matters worse, Israeli hard-liner Ariel Sharon entered the Haram several weeks later with an armed security force of 1,000 Israeli soldiers, provoking a new round of violence in which nearly 500 people have died, largely Palestinians.

Amidst these fears, a new film was released in Israel. By December, Hahesder, or "Time of Favor," became a hit movie. The film revolves around a plot by ultra-religious Jews to blow up Islamic holy places on the Temple Mount. The Israeli Shin Bet followed up the movie's release with warnings about the possible eruption of Jewish violence centered on the Temple Mount.

One Israeli security official told the BBC, "To harm the mosque, it means a global war between the Arab world and the Islamic world against Israel, and no doubt that it could be a war that may bring destruction to the state of Israel."

Israeli academics have been equally alarmed by "Third Temple" ideas. In January, Keshev—the Center for the Protection of Democracy in Tel Aviv issued a 12-page report entitled, "Targeting the Temple Mount," which examined current threats to the Temple Mount from extreme militant and messianic groups. The report said, "Threats to the Temple Mount have reached a critical stage." The danger, the report said, comes from some ten organizations who influence tens of thousands of people and who are acting to reinstitute Temple practices and rituals.

The secular research continued, "In the event of damage to the holy sites, all the blame will be placed on Israel and apocalyptically destructive forces may be unleashed." It urged the Israeli government "to stop all support and funding of Temple lovers' organizations and institutions" and "publicly disassociate themselves from rabbinical calls to ‘destroy the mosques.' Our lives depend on it."

The Battle for Jerusalem

Historically, following Bar Kochba's revolt in A.D. 135, the idea of rebuilding the Jewish Temple was disavowed by Judaism. Only the messiah, it was believed, was capable of rebuilding the Temple. This idea has been challenged in our time by more than a century of Jewish Zionism.

What is surprising about this extreme brand of messianic Judaism and its fixation on the Temple Mount is that its greatest sector of support now is coming from apocalyptic Christians in America.

Fifteen years ago the radical Jewish "Temple Mount Faithful" had practically disappeared in Jerusalem. Then it made connections with End-Time churches in the U.S. Since then, its founder, Gershon Salomon, has been promoted by Pat Robinson's Christian Broadcasting Network and cash flow has been steady.

Gorenberg feels that the alliance between End-Time Jews and Christians is an ironic one, for evangelicals see the creation of Israel and the reestablishment of the Temple as prerequisites for the End of Days when, according to apocalyptic scenarios, two-thirds of all Jews will die in the battle of Armageddon.

Still, the rebuilding of a "Third Temple" is almost axiomatic among true believers, as witnessed in Bible prophecy books such as The Coming Last Days Temple by Randall Price.

Diffusing the Bomb? temples

Is it inevitable that the Temple Mount will explode, taking both Israelis and Arabs to the gates of hell? Dr. Ernest L. Martin, a forty-year historian on Jerusalem, thinks not.

In March of 2000 he published a surprising new book, The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot, which argues that the Jewish Temples never were built on the present "Temple Mount" and actually were located a fourth of a mile south over Gihon Spring.

Upon first hearing, Martin admits, the thesis sounds incredible. But Martin bases his conclusions on multiple lines of evidence, biblical, historical and geographic.

He further claims that Dr. Benjamin Mazar, the former president of Hebrew University and leading Jewish excavator outside the Haram walls from 1967 to 1978, was leaning toward the same conclusion before his death.

If anything, since its release a year ago, Martin's book has caused scholars to take another look at the works of Flavius Josephus, who offered eyewitness accounts of the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in A.D. 70.

One eyewitness worth examining is Eleazar, the Jewish rebel commander at Masada in A.D. 73. In The War of the Jews (VII.8,6), Josephus cities him as saying, "Where is this city that was believed to have God himself inhabiting therein? It is now demolished to the very foundations, and hath nothing left but that monument of it preserved, I mean the camp of those that hath destroyed it, which still dwells upon its ruins."

Martin claims that a proper reading of Eleazar's quote would support the view that only the Camp of the Roman Tenth Legion was left standing among the ruins of Jerusalem's city and temple.

Martin identifies the Haram esh-Sharif as that remaining camp or Fort Antonia, which Herod named after Mark Anthony. He shows how the Haram's 35 acres were comparable in size and water supply to other Roman fortresses built to guard occupied cities.

Martin writes, "Josephus reported that Fort Antonia was as large as a city and could hold a full Legion of troops, or 5,000 soldiers plus support personnel. Although Herod the Great had built it up since the year 6 A.D., the Romans had used the camp as their base, and they had no reason to destroy it after the war. As a security measure, the Roman Empire continued to use Antonia to house the Tenth Legion after the fall of Jerusalem and remained there for more than 200 years."

Furthering buttressing the thesis that the Haram is indeed Fort Antonia is testimony from various Church Fathers and pilgrims from the fourth to sixth centuries that spoke of a large rock outcropping as the Praetorium—where Pilate judged Jesus (John 18:20). The Dome of the Rock would later be built over this permanent natural feature. In contrast, Martin claims, the Temple was built over a threshing floor, and its "foundation stone" was movable.

Wailing at the Wrong Wall? soldier

If Martin's thesis is correct that the Haram was Fort Antonia, it would cast in doubt an unquestioned modern-day Jewish tenet: that the "Wailing Wall" was part of the walls enclosing Herod's Temple.

By connecting a series of historical dots and clues which others have overlooked, Martin documents that two "western walls" were known to Judaism before the time of the Crusades. Neither was a remainder of the Second Temple and neither was located near the present "Wailing Wall." Both were aborted attempts to rebuild the Third Jewish temple under the Roman Emperor Constantine from A.D. 313 to 324 and later under Julian in 362.

Over the past 130 years archaeologists have confirmed that the original City of David was built on the southeastern ridge of Jerusalem, where Martin claims the Jewish Temples were located. What changed the prevailing opinion that Jerusalem grew up on its western hill was the famous discovery of Hezekiah's water tunnel under the Ophel mount in the 1870s.

Martin feels that archaeologists were right a century ago to move the site of David's ancient city to southeast Jerusalem, but failed at that time to reevaluate their traditional thinking about the location of the Jewish Temples.

The confusion over Jerusalem's geography, Martin claims, began a century and a half before Jesus' time. In the days of Simon the Hasmonean, Mount Zion, also known as the Akra or stronghold, had become indefensible. Jewish leaders then literally leveled down "Mount Zion," which overlooked the Temple. Over a period of three years the entire geography of Jerusalem was changed, as a "New Jerusalem" was built on the western hill, save for the Temple itself.

The Actual Temple

Martin also turns to biblical statements to show that the original tabernacle of David and the Temple of Solomon were built above Gihon Spring (2 Sam. 6:17, 1 Kg. 1:38-39). Martin claims that ancient Jewish law required that a live spring be located within the Temple for ritual purification. The Davidic psalms testify that "living water" flowed through the temple (Ps. 46:3,4; 87:1-2,7).

There even exists two extra-biblical confirmations of the Temple containing a water source. Martin writes, "We have the eyewitness account of a person from Egypt named Aristeas who viewed the Temple in about 285 B.C. He stated quite categorically that the Temple was located over an inexhaustible spring that welled up within the interior part of the Temple." He also cites Roman historian, Tacitus, in about A.D.105, stating that "the Temple at Jerusalem had within its precincts a natural spring of water."

No natural springs have ever been found within the Haram esh-Sharif, only cisterns for collecting water. Geologically, the only natural spring in Jerusalem for five miles in any distance is Gihon Spring.

Martin documents how the Islamic rulers from the seventh to the eleventh century allowed the Jews to live near their Temple ruins at the Gihon, but forbade them to enter the Haram, further showing that the locations were not synonymous.

"What has been amazing to me," Martin writes, "is the vast amount of Jewish, Muslim, and Christian records that remain available from the first to the sixteenth centuries that clearly vindicate the conclusions that I have reached in this book." fort

Taking Josephus' descriptions at face value, Martin has recreated a depiction of Herod's Temple and Fort Antonia and with architectural precision. If one would have stood on the southern slopes of the Mount of Olives and looked northwestward they would see these two buildings occupying the greater part of eastern Jerusalem. According to Josephus, the Temple site was shaped as a perfect square of 600 feet on each of its four sides, and towered upward from the floor of Kidron Valley some 450 feet, or forty stories. Fort Antonia lay to its north by another 600 feet, connected by double colonnades. Slanted flagstones surrounded Fort Antonia on its east for external protection.

Not everyone is impressed by Martin's renderings. From 1973 to 1978, Dr. Leen Ritmeyer served as the lead architect associated with the archaeological excavations of the Haram's south walls. As author of Secrets of Jerusalem's Temple Mount (Biblical Archaeology Society, 1998), Ritmeyer feels that Martin ignores "the archaeological evidence that has been excavated in Jerusalem." If the Temple Mount was merely a Roman Camp, he asks, why have Hebrew inscriptions such as the "Trumpeting Stone" been found at the base of the Haram walls in Herodian strata? Martin claims the fallen inscription from top of the southwest wall could just as easily be related to military camp life and revelry than to summon people for the Sabbath. As for the inscription in Hebrew, Martin notes Fort Antonia was built by Herod the Great for his own soldiers, long before the Tenth Roman Legion arrived.

Martin claims his theory is consistent with excavations done both outside and within the Haram. He notes that a hundred years ago, Sir Charles Warren, the great surveyor of Jerusalem, meticulously examined all the nooks, crannies, holes, cisterns and tunnels beneath the Haram, and found no archaeological remains identified with the Second Temple.

Fulfilled Prophecy

Most people are totally unaware that Jerusalem in Jesus' day was one of the biggest cities between Alexandria and Damascus. It was a prosperous metropolitan city of more than 80,000 people, with two or three times that many visiting during festival seasons. Herod the Great had restored the Temple as a world-renowned wonder.

For Christians, Martin's reconstruction solves the quandary of Jesus' prophecy repeated four times in the gospel, that "not one stone would be left upon another" (Mark 13:1-2, Matt. 24:1-3, Luke 19:43-44, 21:5-6).

Martin, who takes the words of Jesus literally, argues that the total removal of the Second Temple down to its foundations in A.D. 70 is in accord with Jesus' statements.

Is then all of the evidence of the Second Temple's archaeological record gone?

Martin thinks so, given the complete destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. Some might consider this a convenient excuse for non-verification, but archaeologists never have uncovered any ruins identified with other structures Herod built in Jerusalem, including his lavish Palace, the Greek Gymnasium or the Roman Hippodrome.

Given the testimony of eyewitnesses as to the utter ruin of Jerusalem—dug up from its very foundations, it is unlikely that any evidence of the Second Temple or other massive Herodian buildings will ever be found.

This past January Martin spent a week in Jerusalem presenting his "Temple theory." More than 200 Palestinian academics and western scholars attended a series of meetings hosted by the Sabeel Theology Center. Many were associated with well-known groups such as Ecole Biblique, the Albright Institute or Al-Quds University. Upon returning, Martin told Presence magazine that, "I did not get a negative comment the entire time I was there."

If proven correct, Martin's "Temple theory" could have profound effect on how Jews and Muslims approach the future of Jerusalem. If the Temple never was located at the supposed "Temple Mount" then a major obstacle dividing Israelis and Palestinians could be put to rest. The "Temple Time Bomb" could be diffused and Jews could transfer their focus south from the western Haram wall to Gihon Springs, in order to build a Third Temple.

Still, most that hear Martin's theory consider it "preposterous" at first. This was true of Dr. James D. Tabor, religious studies professor at the University of North Carolina. After studying Martin's arguments, however, Tabor wrote, "Martin's thesis is so bold, so utterly non-conventional, and so potentially upsetting, radically altering central aspects of the theological, historical, cultural and political understanding of Jerusalem and its holy places, it should not be ignored."

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Is the Dome of the Rock not even actually on the Third Temple spot; is it in the Court of the Gentiles instead? Can the Jewish Temple be built now north of it? Was Revelation 11:1-2 a "wake up" when it says; "Rise and measure the temple of God, the alter, and those who worship there. But leave out the court which is outside the temple"

God is very particular about when and by whom a Temple to Him is built.

Remember, God did not want David to build the Jewish Temple, but He did want his son Solomen to do it.... Jesus said the Temple would not be rebuilt until the End Days.

Both Christ and the prophet Daniel foretold not only its destruction, which was effected by the Romans under Titus, but its final ruin and desolation.

While Cyril was Bishop of Jerusalem, the apostate emperor Julian resolved to defy the words of Our Lord (Luke 21:6) by rebuilding the ancient temple of Jerusalem. He employed the power and resources of a Roman emperor; the Jews thronged enthusiastically to him and gave munificently. But Cyril was unmoved. Relying on the infallible truth of the scripture prophecies: as, that the desolation of the Jewish Temple should last till the end; and that one stone should not be left on another, Cyril wrote:

“The word of God abides,” he said; “one stone shall not be laid on another.”

The Jews of both sexes bore a share in the labor of rebuilding the Temple. Women helping to dig the ground carried out the rubbish in their aprons and skirts of their gowns. At this time, the Temple foundations and some ruins of the walls of the Temple still stood. Both Cyril and Eusebius say the inhabitants carried away the foundation and ruins stones for their private buildings. These ruins the Jews first demolished with their own hands, thus concurring with Jesus's prophecy. Then many thousands of Jews began to dig the new foundation. When the Jews tried to rebuild the Temple, history records that the combination of an earthquake in Jerusalem, Julian's death, and opposition from the rabbis (who were now the Jews' spiritual leaders in place of the former temple priesthood) put an end to the project shortly after work on it had begun.

Other reports by both Church Historian Sozomen in 439 A.D. and a pagan writer named Ammianus tells us that horrible flames came forth from the earth, rendering the place inaccessible to the scorched and frightened workmen. The attempt was made again and again, and then abandoned in despair. Soon after, the emperor perished miserably in a war against the Persians, and the Church had rest.

In addition to earthquakes and fiery eruptions, Christian writers tell us the Temple Mount was engulfed in storms, tempests, and whirlwinds, lightning, crosses impressed on the bodies and garments of the assistants, and a flaming cross in the heavens, surrounded with a luminous circle.

Bishop Cyril died in peace in 386, leaving behind his Catechetical Lectures (systematic teaching of the Church on the Creed and Sacraments), which are a precious monument of Christian antiquity. He lived to see the suppression and condemnation of Arianism at the end of his life.


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1 posted on 03/02/2007 4:47:29 PM PST by Blogger
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To: blue-duncan; wmfights; Forest Keeper

Posted for discussion


2 posted on 03/02/2007 4:48:06 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger

"Increasingly, zealous Jews in Israel and End-Time Christians in America are calling for the rebuilding of a "Third Temple"


I understand why the Jews would want to build the Third Temple - if I were a Jew I would want the same to happen. However, I don't quite understand why Christians would like to see a new temple.

When Herod's temple was destroyed by Titus in 70 AD it had no significance to the early Christians because they were banned from entering the temple as apostates. They were also taught that the new heavenly temple had replaced the earthly edifice. At no time in the last 2000 years have Christians ever suggested that the temple be rebuilt.


3 posted on 03/02/2007 5:02:00 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: 353FMG
At no time in the last 2000 years have Christians ever suggested that the temple be rebuilt.

Were the Puritans in America "Christians"?

4 posted on 03/02/2007 5:04:05 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Blogger

It is this temple where the Antichrist will declare himself to be God, a technical term known as the "abomination of desecration".

Daniel 9:27
He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. "
Daniel 9:26-27 (in Context) Daniel 9 (Whole Chapter)
Daniel 11:31
"His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.
Daniel 11:30-32 (in Context) Daniel 11 (Whole Chapter)
Daniel 12:11
"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
Daniel 12:10-12 (in Context) Daniel 12 (Whole Chapter)
Matthew 24:15
"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Matthew 24:14-16 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter)
Mark 13:14
"When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mark 13:13-15 (in Context) Mark 13 (Whole Chapter)


5 posted on 03/02/2007 5:06:30 PM PST by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Blogger
Jesus said the Temple would not be rebuilt until the End Days.

Jesus never said the temple would be rebuilt. Nowhere in the NT are there words that the temple in Jerusalem would ever be rebuilt.

"Jesus answered and said to them, 'Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.' Then the Jews said, 'It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?' But He was speaking of the temple of His body." (John 2:19-21)

"Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?" (1 Cor. 3:16)

6 posted on 03/02/2007 5:07:57 PM PST by topcat54
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To: Buggman; xzins; blue-duncan

Ping to the buggman.


7 posted on 03/02/2007 5:17:10 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: topcat54

Of course, that particular reference is Jesus' body. But He also spoke of the Abomination of Desolation standing in the holy place, and Paul speaks of the temple with the Antichrist: # 2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The temple WILL be rebuilt.


8 posted on 03/02/2007 5:18:26 PM PST by Blogger
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To: 353FMG

Many Christians expect the temple to be rebuilt, myself included. It is a fulfillment of Prophecy. It signals the time where this evil age will one day end and all will be made new again. So, Christians look for it as a sign of the times. We don't necessarily actively try to "help" it along, but we believe that it will be.


9 posted on 03/02/2007 5:20:08 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Kevmo

Yes. And there will be a 4th Temple after that temple.


10 posted on 03/02/2007 5:20:58 PM PST by Blogger
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New Jerusalem?



Revelation 3:12
Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.
Revelation 3:11-13 (in Context) Revelation 3 (Whole Chapter)
Revelation 21:1
[ The New Jerusalem ] Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Revelation 21:1-3 (in Context) Revelation 21 (Whole Chapter)
Revelation 21:2
I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Revelation 21:1-3 (in Context) Revelation 21 (Whole Chapter)


11 posted on 03/02/2007 5:39:19 PM PST by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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Micah 4

1But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

3And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


12 posted on 03/02/2007 6:08:23 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger

Cool. Thanks


Phillipians 1:2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.


13 posted on 03/02/2007 6:55:46 PM PST by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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Zech. 8:9-23, is a description of the Temple to come and its glory. "Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Let your hands be strong, ye that hear in these days these words by the mouth of the prophets, which were in the day that the foundation of the house of the LORD of hosts was laid, that the temple might be built."


14 posted on 03/02/2007 7:09:40 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan

Isaiah 24 may also allude to the same time:

20The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

21And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

23Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.


15 posted on 03/02/2007 8:25:54 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger; blue-duncan; wmfights; P-Marlowe
Thanks for the ping. This is fascinating.

In March of 2000 [Dr. Martin] published a surprising new book, The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot, which argues that the Jewish Temples never were built on the present "Temple Mount" and actually were located a fourth of a mile south over Gihon Spring.

... Is the Dome of the Rock not even actually on the Third Temple spot; is it in the Court of the Gentiles instead? Can the Jewish Temple be built now north of it? Was Revelation 11:1-2 a "wake up" when it says; "Rise and measure the temple of God, the alter, and those who worship there. But leave out the court which is outside the temple"

I've heard the name, but don't know much about a guy named Hal Lindsey. He appears to be on board with this author. Here is an excerpt from a 2005 commentary in WND (The article begins by stating that a new Sanhedrin has been formed) :

"The most difficult problem is to determine with certainty exactly where the previous Temple's foundations are. Muslims have not allowed Israeli archeologists to do archeological research on the Temple grounds. As a matter of fact, the Muslim custodians of this area, which they believe is their Third Holiest site, have systematically sought to destroy and remove any archeological evidence of Israel ever having a Temple there."

"The Sanhedrin determined that there are only two viable theories as to where the Temple stood. One teaches that the Temple stood on the same basic site on which the Muslim mosque known as the Dome of the Rock was built."

"The second theory (which I am convinced is the most accurate) is that the Temple was built north of the Dome of the Rock. Dr. Asher Kaufman developed this theory, using certain archeological evidences that he found before the Muslim's destroyed them. However, the most important archeological sign is the position of the Eastern Gate. According to ancient accounts of the Temple, its east-west centerline passed through the center of the Eastern Gate."

"We have absolute evidence as to where the ancient Eastern Gate stood. I have viewed personally the remains of the ancient Eastern Gate, which is located under the modern Gate that was built on top of its ruins."

"While photographing the area in 1983 for my book, "A Prophetical Walk Through The Holy Land," I sought to verify Dr. Kaufman's theory. I established the east-west centerline from the Eastern Gate. Then I received one of the most supernatural visitations of my life. My mind was suddenly flooded with a couple of verses that had been a mystery to me."

"This is what I was shown. "I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, 'Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.'" (Revelation 11:1-2 NIV) So I measured off the distance from the centerline to the point where the wall of the inner court would stand. There was at least 6 meters clearance from the nearest points of the Dome of the Rock and the Temple inner-court wall. The Apostle John clearly predicts that "the outer court was not to be included in the rebuilt Temple, because it was given to the Gentiles."

"So what does all this mean? The Temple can be rebuilt and stand alongside the Dome of the Rock without disturbing it. And since the outer court, also known as the Court of the Gentiles, is given to the Gentiles in this period just before the Messiah comes, it infers that there would be a Gentile building there, i.e., the Dome of the Rock."

"The fact that a re-established Sanhedrin is now considering the rebuilding of the Temple after 2,000 years is extremely important to students of Bible prophecy. I believe that we are very near the final climactic events that end with the Second Coming of Christ."

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I don't know if these two have any association with each other, but it's interesting that they agree. Having a new Temple stand that close to the DOTR would be quite a sight! :)

16 posted on 03/03/2007 3:22:08 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: topcat54

Thank you for seeing and posting this truth. The temple was raised in 3 days when He resurrected.

The abomination of desolation (which should have been translated as "desolator", an entity) will stand on the dome of the rock claiming to be Christ. The daily sacrifice being taken away will be when misled people believe they are worshipping Christ when it is really Satan.


As far as Christians wanting the temple to be rebuilt, I agree with post #3. However, I sure see a lot of "Christians" asking for money to rebuild that temple on television.

At least, that's the way I understand it.


17 posted on 03/03/2007 8:01:22 AM PST by Ping-Pong
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To: Forest Keeper
And since the outer court, also known as the Court of the Gentiles, is given to the Gentiles in this period just before the Messiah comes, it infers that there would be a Gentile building there, i.e., the Dome of the Rock."

And FWIW, Muslims are "Gentiles" to both Jews and Christians.

18 posted on 03/03/2007 8:13:01 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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Where can I go to find what all the abbreviations mean? I feel I'm missing a lot. Example: FWIW? Is there some web site that lists them?


19 posted on 03/03/2007 8:42:21 AM PST by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong
Where can I go to find what all the abbreviations mean? I feel I'm missing a lot. Example: FWIW? Is there some web site that lists them?

Acronym Finder

20 posted on 03/03/2007 9:01:30 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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